Pluto Opposite Moon TransitPluto opposite Moon transit is affecting the Cancer sign from 2008 to 2024. This transit creates a gradual build-up in the intensity of the emotional life to a point where something has to give. Like all Pluto transits the build-up can last for a year or more but eventually the tension or pressure forces some major life change, and with the Moon, this will be in related to behavior patterns, compulsions, habits and most often in close relationships or with female family members.

Pluto represents powerful forces that you seem to have no control over, circumstances that just happen to you. This occurs in order to evolve to a higher level, and with the opposition these events or people can be very challenging and involve confrontations, ultimatums or extreme pressure. Something has to change in your life so it’s a good time to look deep inside, Pluto will probably give you little choice in the matter anyway. If you are comfortable with what you seen this transit might mean you are forced to defend or fight for something related to your Moon like family, the home or women.

People with their Moon between 3 to 12 Cancer will be feeling this Pluto opposite Moon transit in 2011 – 2012, just like Prince William (Moon 5 Cancer). Did he face pressure to tie the knot? William’s cousin Princess Beatrice also has Moon at 5 Cancer. In 2004 Claudia Schiffer had transiting Pluto opposite Moon and she gave birth to her second child. She also felt the darker side of Pluto by being harassed at her home and via mail from a stalker.

A more extreme example of Pluto pressure was felt by Brook Shields who also had Pluto opposite Moon in 2005. This was the year she went public in magazines and on The Oprah Winfrey Show about her battle with post natal depression which she shared in her book  Down Came the Rain. This was a positive expression of her Pluto transit, the Moon also represent publicity.

But then came dark Pluto in the form of Tom Cruise with public condemnation of her use of psychiatry and antidepressant medication. Brook then showed the ruthless side of Pluto and fought back, telling Cruise he should  “stick to fighting aliens” and “let mothers decide the best way to treat postpartum depression.” She then went on to stick it up him in an essay she felt compelled to write, War of Words.

Pluto Opposite Moon Transit Dates

Cancer decan 1 – 2008 to 2013.
Cancer decan 2 – 2013 to 2018.
Cancer Decan 3 – 2018 to 2024.

109 thoughts on “Pluto Opposite Moon Transit

  1. Dear Sunshine,
    Do you have 20 Leo as your ascendant and 14 Taurus as your MC?

  2. uberqueenofwands:
    The weird thing was, when it was all over, deaths, misery, loss etc and I walked out of the underworld, what replaced it was superficially “better” but not fulfilling. It was like I had been swimming for my life in tar and was finally out of it, panting on a dry shore.
    PLuto gave me a dimension I am profoundly indebted for even though it HURT.

    I really do like the way you’ve put this UQ and when Pluto has the reigns it does feel as if your guts have changed places with your heart, but, afterwards, is it ever really over? – and I resonate with the harmonious/depth apparent dicotomy, only, I seem to want this as a fusion experience, which can make me hard company to be with – I tend to like strong people too who show signs of Pluto presence – in re-capitulating on my life I have come to realise that it seems to have been entertained in the court of Pluto since I can remember, and even my earliest memory is very Plutonic – is this possible – I have wondered about the Algol effect yes, and Pluto is square my DC – if it wasn’t for my sense of humour I would probably be totally unbearable – hell, I’ve scared my superiors and this has gotten me into big trouble in day jobs – when I ran a company, very successfully, it was run on a profit sharing basis, very co-operative based and, at the time, revolutionary in structure and portfolio, and this worked well as a funnel for the Pluto dynamic, but, it wasn’t me and I left to go into the wilds – I’ve been pummelled and turned inside out over and over, yet, I survive and the experience is a constant undercurrent that is very tectonic, magma like and volcanic when it erupts (Pluto is also on Regulus), but, has become a familiar within, not a ruler – I still have’nt found an ideal single shape to fit this into and I think thats a part of it – I feel the value of the Persephone myth, don’t actually mind that, so I wonder if she did also – and, even so, I think she must have gotten to like it being the uber-queen of the underworld (I wonder if I don’t detect a sense of this in you too) – just how much of the Mother/Daughter relationship in that story was also the discovery by the daughter of her own powerful rebellious and revolutionary nature and claiming its power – my own mother is a Scorpio cusp Libran, and she tries so hard to give her love, but, is totally unconscious of her own dark side, which ironically perhaps, is the driving force behind that love – I keep her very much at arms length these days, even though I know she will be gone soon enough (mid 80’s now) – teachers and mentors have all been very Plutonic too, actually something I like, although I soon found out they don’t like upstarts or mirrors ;) and what, I wonder, are the male equivalent archetypes for the Demeter/Persephone myth…care to lob in a few suggestions?

    • Theseus? finding his father, going into the minotaur’s labyrinth, forgetting to tell dad he’s not dead, dad throws self of cliff…oh and abandoning Ariadne on Naxos. nice guy. Odysseus? trickster, gets home to dad and Penelope (the weaver) via the scenic route inc underworld if i remember right?

      • Theseus and Odysseus eh? The dad thing has a certain ring (cf reply to UQW) – I spent some time following the trails of the myths in Greece, even learned the language so I could get off the beaten track and stay longer, and Naxos was one of my fave islands and a personal hinge point – cracked a tooth clean open on a grape pip, which was appropriate as Naxos was one of Dionysus’ hang-outs – got it fixed by a professional tooth puller of a dentist who boasted never using anaesthetic – refused to have it pulled and had a patch-up root filling instead – nerve pain becomes sweet beyond a certain threshold – point being the pain/grief as motivation for healing motif in Demeter’s myth didn’t stop her from driving a hard bargain and, as much Theseus and Odysseus have great stories involving their family, they come across as wide-boys, a couple of ‘mothers’ really, more than enraged and agrieved mothers – still, I’m going to read up on them anew, so much appreciation to you for the suggestions :)

        • on second thoughts, for all his heroics Theseus does bring a certain male ineptitude into the picture…..could be very appropriate!

        • yes, on second thoughts the father connection isn’t so strong with odysseus, but I like the self sabotage in his story – he’s in sight of home when he takes a nap, allowing his crew to open the bag of wind that blows them away to take the long, ego dissolving self discovering way home. On the other hand, I find Theseus quite complex – partly fathered by Poseidon/Neptune, has to prove his strength in order to go in search of his mortal father, Aegeus, who is shacked up with Medea post Jason; inadvertently causes his father’s suicide through grief; later goes on a mission to ‘marry'(rape?) Persephone and ends up doing a spell down under….maybe we girls have to go in search of our lost daughters and, in an inversion of that, guys have to find their fathers…just rapping really. Love the grape pip story – life in the old god yet!

    • Hi Rob,

      Definitely Orpheus – and the story gives more illumination on Persephone – her heart needed softening while she was in Hades… to allow Eurydice to return.

      And of course Arjuna in the Gita although I couldn’t say exactly where wold be the most salient part – perhaps because its all salient.

      …After asking Krishna for help, Arjuna is instructed that only the body may be killed, as he was worried if it would become a sin to kill people (including his gurus and relatives), while the eternal self is immortal. Krishna appeals to Arjuna that, as a warrior, he has a duty to uphold the path of dharma through warfare.
      Arjuna asks why he should engage in fighting if knowledge is more important than action. Krishna stresses to Arjuna that performing his duties for the greater good, but without attachment to results, is the appropriate course of action.

      Arjuna asks Krishna if it is better to forgo action or to act (“renunciation or discipline of action”[45]). Krishna answers that both ways may be beneficent, but that acting in Karma Yoga is superior.

      I find this even more compelling because J Oppenheimer (atom bomb) studied the Gita and said –

      “Access to the Vedas is the greatest privilege this century may claim over all previous centuries.”

      and quoted it with regard to his invention after the Trinity Test, “I am become death, the destroyer of worlds.”
      All this of course coinciding with the discovery of Pluto.

      Darth Vader is a great ale Plutonic character Rob….

      I have PLuto conj Mars conj Sun conj Venus. I have PLuto and Mars square Algol…
      Off with his head!!!

  3. “I endured Pluto square sixfold stellium with Saturn opposite for what seemed like several lifetimes. It was a sort of paralysis of time. I locked myself away, eked out a meagre living and studied alchemy. I also had one of the most profound sexual relationships of my life (PLuto is verrrry sexy) and had a lot of very disturbing dreams”
    Yes!Yes and Yes!
    Oh duh! This is identical to my last 20 years – everything in the 12 and 1st, pluto’s been squaring it and this current stellium has been tramping through with Saturn opposing. A couple of years ago i held my father’s hand as he passed, carried off at the exact, to the minute, full moon. It felt as though my only purpose in being born was to be there for him at that moment and through his long illness. I think I’m a better and saner person despite everything and on the plus side my asthma vanished after 35 years either because of all the crying or the treatment for anxiety!

    • Hi Rachel,
      Further to the Dark One, i was deeply into symbolism of Pluto during the transit years and found the nuclear bomb the most perfect illustration.
      First it is a power of immense destruction. So it destroys all one’s safeties… it injures and burns and if you are at the epicentre it eradicates without a trace. Where the blast passes through it leaves shadows of what was in its way.
      I think it was the History Channel recently aired a programme about Hiroshima. The stories were harrowing but the grace of the survivors was incredible. Such beautiful souls and no bitterness.
      Gamma rays (the synchron fallout of the nuclear bomb) will either kill cells or cause them to mutate depending on the dose. I think a sustained Pluto attack creates a mutation – a change. The intense hit may be instant destruction (not necessarily death but destruction of securities.)
      Of course gamma rays are used in radiation therapy to kill tumours too.

      My sister also died when PLuto was exactly square her natal moon and also opposite her Sun, conj her asc.
      Having seen the time frame of the transit it made for better preparation of her death.

      Am now thinking if PLuto is no stranger to one natally, perhaps the big transits are “easier” because one feels inherently at home in some way, it just has to be remembered.

      • ‘Endarkening’ I love it! light is overrated, ‘light workers’ have done me so much psychological damage, isn’t Lucifer the light bearer?
        Not exactly nuclear, but a small incendiary device went off in my head yesterday when I spotted that my 20 year old daughter was born exactly when Pluto sguared Saturn, the first planet in my 12th house party, and the fun times began. Lead, rather than Plutonium was my medium. Yes, the destruction of securities, the death of unhelpful ego expectations – I have experienced the losses I dreaded, of my father, of my marriage and a subsequent relationship, both of which had to go but I didn’t think I could survive. These things hold no fear any more, but there is one more loss I dread – that of one of my children, which I’d prefer not to go through funnily enough, so may have to dig bunker for the Pl sq moon transit!!
        Thanks for your insight

  4. Another UQW wondering…

    Using the analogy of light – which is the manifest active ingredient of an atom bomb and PLuto as the bomb… then taking Uranus as a flash of illumination and the link of PLutonium and Uranium…

    What sudden enlightenments/endarkenments will we see over the coming months when there are cardinal exacts?

    With ref to this thread, PLuto enlightens by endarkening.

    • Thanks for these nuggets of black gold UQ – I am very enamoured of Orpheus, but, some tales have him whimping out on going to join Eurydice permanently in favour of risking his falability at seeing the ardous task through – he was a doubter essentially, and rightly so – its his very humanity that makes him a good candidate for the role in Plutonia; poor guy, he was so much in love and so overjoyed at getting his loved one back, he just couldn’t wait – the whole Orphic story is laced with lessons in the madness and blinding effects of love – still, for all his bardic and shamanic qualities, he (and Euryd) still doesn’t quite feel right as a masculine counter to the Demeter Persephone myth – maybe it needs to be a father/son thang…..

      Krishna and Arjuna are rich with such a vast mythos behind them…so worth looking further into – what I am trying to get at here is nuance that serves to widen and deepen the archetypal symbolism – actually, what I really want is to completely replace all the Roman gods and goddesses (at least get a break from their overly psychological constructs and deeply pathological insidiousness) and bring the rest of the world in, but, thats just a personal revolution…..

      The A bomb is a great metaphor for the Pluto alchemy, especially with its radial sweep of scaled effects – I particularly like what you say about the dark/light relationship as well – yes, ‘Pluto enlightens by endarkening’ and, being a tad Plutonic, I welcome the balanced voice of experience that knows the value of the ‘en-darkened’ soul – a good word, distinct from a darkened soul – and too many ‘white light fascists’ in the world make for a very deeply denied shadow IMHO – fascinating that shadows are left as the imprint of the inner fire……Plato would have been mortified

      • Amen to all of that, Rob, especially the Graeco Roman myths. Maybe there is some thing in Norse mythology? Egyptian… Even African! I’ll work on it. Shakespeare full of father son angst too. Then there’s Freud…
        The White light fascist … What a great term. Makes me think that even the nazis started out as a democratic socialist party!

        • yeh – look out for ‘Bliss-Bunnies’ as well – often found hanging onto the frock-coat tails of WLFs….bloody Liberals (no apologies Mr Clegg)

        • something else thats sparked my anarchic mind recently is re-writing the myths so they have different endings completely (not a new idea I know cf wholesale Christianity) – but, for example, can you imagine the re-union party if Orpheus hadn’t looked back, and the traditions we might now have boiling away in our psychic cauldrons as a result…..

        • Or.. Orpheus doesn’t look back gets the girl but is still curious about te underworld – she’s been there and a scrap ensues because he wants an adventure…
          or – once he’s got her back, he realises it was the romance of tyring to save her which was the catch…. all that moping, playing of music and generally being a lost Neptunian soul.. he loved it, discovered his inner masochist and preferred the pining experience to seing her ensconced at home being mortal… having PMT and getting acne etc etc

          or…he looked back, lost her and just threw his hands up and said, win some lose some….

          and what if….

          no! No ! Shut up UQW….

          What about Anubis , Guardian of the Scales which weighed the hearts of the deceased, Lord of the UNderworld – he had a more balanced relatinship with his wife – but he was usurped by Osiris… some dark power trip going on there. I think the Egyptian Gods had a better relationship with death and were the precursors to the Greek myths mostly.
          Maybe your Plutonic roots lie there Rob… come to think of it, why don’t more men of power exploit the archetype of High Priest/Herophant instead of womanising toddler kings?
          Less PLatonic more PLutonic?

        • OR.. you could just dress up as DArth Vader… wasn’t that father and son story also in a Wagnerian Opera? Lohengrin?? BAck to the Teutonic and Norse myths?
          We’d have to find an actual event which founded the myth. Wouldn’t mos PLuto myths be about the planet Venus appearing/being devoured/reappearing etc when it first came in to the system?

  5. Rachel: light is overrated, ‘light workers’ have done me so much psychological damage,

    Ha!! i was confronted by a “light worker” a year ago who had just gone through a “process” to allow her to “hold more light” … she then looked at my daughter (just off the plane after a 12 hr flight escaping London winter and unemployment, broken relationship etc) and said “You could really get into the dark side.. you’re full of dark energy…”

    Oddly, this little sunray is just about to endure a Pluto transit to her desc and as a double Cancer a whole lotta cardinal cross…

    I’ll check back in a couple of years to see the shadow where the blast passed through!

    • Oh yeh UQW – I’ve met plenty of these ‘living dead’ types, and, incidently, they don’t have reflections either (its a metaphor)…..

      …….there is a strong element of the psychic vampire at work in instances such as this where power is being drawn from the dark, by the light, that seeks to deny the dark – it reminds me of the effects that elevation of the reality of the mind over that of matter has – when the duality is emphasised the comlimentarity is diminished and the dynamic unity (and all meaning, it’s dialectic) is also lost, and denied – illusion, like imagination, has been given the spin of unreality through such shenanigans – harkens back to the twin pillars of the ‘High Priestess’ who bridges and unifies Boaz & Joachim (B and J on the pillars); neither draws power from the other, they interact, and in the Rider Waite version of the card ‘nature’ is her backdrop (go look below)

      ….however, WLF’s agendas are fully revealed in all their Satanic glory by, through denial, emphasising the dark energy as if it were the devil incarnate, when infact, so long as this is insisted upon, it is pointing up the devil in the light at the same time….there-in lies the denial…..its as if to say that Saturn is bad because he limits, when infact, without limitation the creative energy of light would remain imperceptible – can you see light [the masculine principle?] as it travels through endless space? – no, it needs a ‘receiver’ [the feminine principle?] to ‘register’ it [entered, by naming it, into the matrix of reality - ie matriculated, issued from the womb, born] – its at the beginning of Genesis, ‘in the beginning was the Word’, and this was subverted by the Greeks, capitalised upon by the Latin scholars, to emphasise the primacy of the Godhead, when infact in Hebrew, ‘beginning’ has its roots in the notion of entering via the head and becoming manifest as it is received by the body – the chakra reference is obvious and, it seems is at the root of the notion that the Mind is the ultimate reality, accessible via the reverse process, issuing from the head beyond the body – otherwise, without the creative process, the reality of mind (and light is synonymous here) reality would never manifest and we’d all be fairies drifting endlessly through LaLa land – cue ‘Bliss Bunnies’….end of rant!…almost….

      ….is it any wonder pagans were put to the fire; still happening so it seems… Hermetic wisdom (and Mercury, like Saturn, is also often cast as the devil, by the same token) is the application of the teaching that we can only perceive ‘that’ which is already inside of us….as above, so below, and, as within so without…..

      ……I doubt if you will find a shadow UQW…. ;)

      • and look at all those Pomegranites amidst the Yoni bearing Date Palms (Jed Pillars) – the Goddess at the head, the High Priestess

  6. rob: denial…..its as if to say that Saturn is bad because he limits, when infact, without limitation the creative energy of light would remain imperceptible

    The Hexagon – as in hexagonal storm on saturn and basic shape of carbon atom, basis of life as we know it… perhaps not for long though!

    I think I might have found you a “new” – well alternative male myth which is suitably old enough to be to PLutonic and has a female element to it.

    In some aboriginal cultures (Australian) there is a different way of seeing the male role in procreating.
    The spirit child is heard or experienced as a wind while the man is out hunting. It is a call to be born. The mother may also go to a sacred spot and go through ritual to unite with the spirit child. The potency of this site is considered the conceiver of the child. The biological parents are just the gateways. Individuals “concieved” in this way are identified with that spirit power of place etc and not expected or considered to be the property of their parents or have their personalities.
    So a son born of this style of conception would not have the burden of his father’s expectations/inheritance etc He would have the spirit of the place/time/other ancestors etc IN modern parlance this coul theoretically absolve the father/som myths/dilemma.

    Alternatively – consider Enki. Enki was the Lord of Life, God of replenisjment, Master shaper of the world, magic, water… One of his omages os of a double headed snake – twin currents (now the caduceus… Birkeland currents!) He set up his domain in the Abzu – depths of the earth… with his EQUAL – Ninhursag. He is prepatriarchal. I think he represents deep earth kundalini. He asisted human kind to survive the deluge sent to destroy them and bargained for humans. He is often depicted with two streams or currents at his shoulders – maybe male and female forces.
    As lord of the Abzu – Deep fresh “groundwater” located within the earth, he is a nurturing god. He dispenses the Mes – a list of qualities of social institution – distributed amongst men – these ranged from the Cult chamber, Truth and Music to Falsehood, eunuchs and metal working… there were about 100 of them.

    I’m pretty certain he must be the predecessor of Hades, Lord of the Underworld in one aspect, or rather Hades/Pluto is one aspect of Enki.

    So looking at the PLuto Persephone myth, patriarchalism had crept in by then. But in older myth they were equals and she must have been a potent force of the deep roots in earth… unlike the silly cow who pranced about in the meadow tra la la …

    So ther is a layer of PLuto which predate the plutonic? A different kind of male energy.
    I’ve noticed that the older Egyptian gods have a much more balanced distribution of qualities to them.

    The High Priestess is shushumna sitting between ida and pingala, the two pillars. Or she is the central Z pinch of energy created where the two Birkeland currents meet. She is kundalini rising, shakti… She emanates from the deep under earth sleeping place of Enki. From the Apzu.
    Enki did of course have a mother… Nammu, also ruling those deep regenerating currents/waters
    And so the male/female issue can be resolved, when we see the fractal representation of both in eachother.
    So in essence… why stick with one myth? PLuto Moon… keep digging!

    • Sorry – I forgot to say the diagram is John Keely’s subdivision of matter. Wheels within wheels… anyone who studies TCM will have seen the same patterns.

        • It reminds me of the notion of three permanent atoms which are in every incarnation of the soul! Allegedly…

        • this is a neolithic petrosphere from Scotland – many have been discovered, and they do occur in many other places around the world, Costa Rica and Eastern Europe amongst them, but, sadly most of the archeological sites that had illustrations for the scottish ones no longer seem to have access – I am sure the visuals are out there somewhere

          this one has been dated to 3.200 to 2.500 BC – this puts it approx 0.25 the precesional cycle – they vary greatly, all are spherical, many with nodules, some, like the above, have multiple patterned faces – the Costa Rican ones are geometrically perfect spheres

          there are no ‘known’ reasons for their existance – one of my mentors (Cheyenne) however had indigenous knowledge relating to them that ties them into the electro-magnetic pathways of the earth (as well as Atlantis, but, lets be careful with that word) – speculatively they have been linked by the orthodoxy with divination and/or gaming, and divination makes some sense to me, but, not for divining the future, more as an esoteric path of knowledge, wisdom and teaching

          the British Museum have 3 – they also produced a catalogue (my own copy has disappeared…) some years ago with excellent photos of these and others, plus other carved objects, including magnifent stone mace heads, which also show spiral and interference patterns – the latter are esoterically connected with the ‘office’ of one who holds power, for which read ‘esoteric knowledge’

          the link to the electric universe model is to be noted (I feel) and wonder if the ‘Thunderbolts’ have made note (anywhere)

          I too am very strongly attracted to them, have thought about carving some myself, but, been ‘advised’ against doing so….I mention the latter not for sinister reasons but because the intent behind doing so was essentially ‘ungrounded’, being given to understand that I am not ready, or the time is not right – for this speculative reason alone I am waiting, and not dismissing the possibility, and indeed, with current crop circles reflecting the patterning and designs so strongly feel that it is right to do so – on this last note, I do now also feel that a collective investigation, a collaborative witnessing and understanding of all these phenomena is unfolding now and that the time is right for us to work together to bring the right conditions about, largely as a matter of consciousness, for their significance to become available to us all – alone this is not possible, another reason I might have been ‘advised’ as such, however, together we can join the dots (spheres) – UQW, your input here is invaluable in this respect…..thought you might like this!

        • How amazing! What a beautiful item!
          Rgds the CC phenomena – its all gone nasty down in WIlts – many farmers who were sympathetic before have put signs up now banning access, much of the wheat has been replaced with rape (not such clear imagery but impossible to hoax), car parks now have barriers on them etc etc making it all really hard for the dedicated croppie to gain access. However, they’re still coming!
          My links to their symbolism too huge to put here – but be suffice to say I’m writing a. A novel based on what I found and b. putting the research together to publish on the web but will bring you and M a copy of that when we meet.
          Its not a fairy tale. There are pictograms of nuke type explosions, electric events etc all consistent with gods of antiquity.
          Meanwhile, there aren’t enough hours in the day… literally!

  7. uberqueenofwands: Meanwhile, there aren’t enough hours in the day… literally!

    tell me about it….I sleep in small pockets of time, disregard the clock whenever possible, and feel its more about quality than quantity…but, lets consider that we are all laying the foundations…..every comment, link, feedback, article, work of art, and meeting counts

  8. These are gorgeous images, and they remind me of tri-spiral carvings in Newgrange, an Irish neolithic structure which is illuminated at midwinter solstice. I’m too idle to put an image up at the moment, but they’re strikingly similar. there was a tv programme 10 years ago which put forward the idea that acoustics played an important part in these structures i.e if a bunch of people chant in a smoky dusty atmosphere, and it is lit at the right angle,the sound waves produce visible patterns in the smoke,very like the carvings. i haven’t tested it out but it’s a great theory. check out
    here’s a fun after dinner game though – shine a light on a wine glass, with some liquid of your choice in it, so that the surface of the liquid reflects onto the ceiling. then do that thing where you run your finger round the rim to make the glass sing. You should get some interesting patterns on the ceiling, like the sand patterns you get with chladni plates. It’s like watching the universe being sung into existence.
    sorry to butt in again, but this is so up my street!

    • Its called cymatics! I never thought of the light in the wine glass but I’m going to give it a go!
      Nat Geo did a documentary on Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland which is full of craved symbols which correspond to cymatic patterns (i.e those formed by passing sound waves through solids and liquids). What was really amazing – and pretty enlightened of the producers was to involve three psychics. Rosslyn Chapel presents so many mysteries. One of the psychics was sure that the whole place could be “played” i.e that the sounds locked in all the patterns, if played opened a portal to another dimension!
      Here is a small part of it and how they created the music!
      You’ll get the picture!
      “Like watching the universe being sung into existence -” lovely analogy! In the beginning was the word… (sound).

      • …precisely!
        terrific link with the Rosslyn Chapel cymatic (thanks for the new word!)patterns,the wineglass trick produces very similar ones. Another piece of the puzzle. I’m just a bit giddy with the synchronicity of it all because this was something I worked on at art college, and black virgins/cult of Cybele (regulus thread)was my dissertation subject at university…what does it all mean?! Maybe this site is a portal!

        • Where are you based Rachel?
          Did you ever come across a book called The World is Sound – Nada Brahma in your studies? Its all about sound waves as the basis for form. Excellent work and makes me think of the power of chanting mantram.
          I can see you me and Rob orchestrated in a small magickal cavern somehwere… being arrested for disturbing the peace!!!

        • southwest uk. No I don’t know that one – to tell you the truth I played with a knackered old chladni plate with almost no sand and a frayed bow at the Bristol Exploratory before they tarted it up. I saw the pattern, realised that That’s How It All Works, Obvious Really, and, content with this epiphany, went to find the children.
          I did find the work of Dr Masaru Emoto – how words and thoughts and other energies change the crystalline structure of water and therefore cell structure – fitted the pattern – of course mantra, blessing and cursing and kind or harsh words alter the brain and body, of course Thoth talked himself into existence!
          The cave’s a date as long as it’s Pluto’s not Plato’s! Always a risk with my Neptune.

  9. Rachel & UQW – funny that, but, playing with sound in ancient sites is something I am in the habit of doing and this has just triggered memories of a couple of times – not been to Knowth/Newgrange (yet) but theres a similar beehive shaped souteraine (underground chamber) at Carn Euny – that has similar sounding properties – works for voice – there are various cromlech and barrows in the UK where drum works to open the walls and floor, and toning produces red sprites and blue flashes in some, but, Carn Euny is specially good for sustained resonant intoning and overtones arise naturally – feel it needs a group, always wanted to try it with a circle of seven – one day….on a full moon opposite Pluto

    Rosslyn I have good memories of – bloody annoying for others but I can’t help singing there – in the lowest chamber the acoustics are very special – I intoned there for half an hour once, lost all track of time and was rescued by my companion – the walls and floor resonated so strongly that I really felt either they or I were atomising – I’m a natural baritone so it felt incredibly cleansing to the lower chakras, even felt as if there were lower ones below the feet – the sound there envelops and definitely opens channels, absolutely no doubt – after a while the vocal range extends as if the whole body is being unblocked – my companion knew the area well and told me that there was a network of tunnels in the river valley there (which we did visit) but she also said the chapel sits on a resonator chamber which connects to these, so, perhaps the feeling below my feet was the vibration reaching into that space – the whole building felt like being inside a musical instrument – it felt like rainbows in the night – I believe the rock Rosslyn sits on has a volcanic flume in it, where-as the surrounding bedrock is quartz/sandstone – the electricity stored in that place makes my hair stand on end (even tho most of it has drifted south)…..but, I feel sure that extrememly high pitched toning would produce light in the lower chamber, perhaps the solfeggios…we should try it sometime….on a full moon conjunct Pluto

    • To Rob and RAchel – go to and click on special charts and then Sound Charts – you can select any chart and it is “put to music” and visual patterns as per transit of seven planets. You can also select a more complex version and speed it up! its pretty good – select Mundane for the world tune.
      Rob – you will particularly “like” the discord around the time Elenin is close – end of Sept through October!
      At the present the mundane is very discordant – there’s a cardinal cross in place until the eclipse when it sounds better! A resolution?
      The tones are light but imagine if it were put through a synthesised church organ with full pipes into the ground… then we’d hear the gates of Hades open!!

      • that special sound chart is so cool – Why did I never find it before? The discord in my personal chart beginning sept when Pluto comes back for another swipe bears out my theory that it’s tin hat time then!

        • I only found it a few days ago! On another blog. Its really simple to hear the sounds rather than sit for ages with the numbers trying to fathom out when to stay under the duvet!
          I think something is going to take a swipe at us all in October. Did you check out the mundane chart?

        • fascinating and of great interest to the cat, Wizard – the coming eclipse/NM is setting up something imho which will break down/up/out/in (thats called ‘hedging’) at the equinox moon, infact the cardinal NMs seem to all be disonant – praps we should pay attention to the NM patterns over the next 4 months – that big disonance comes on and around the Scorp new moon, coincidentally at the end of the Mayan long count, on the 26/7/8 Oct -very Sun Ra orchestrated by Stockhausen and sung by the thousand voice choir with a Libretto by Nietzsche on beatbox

          with all the outer planets (inc Jupiter and Saturn) at early degrees each NM plays off these – the Leo NM is at the head of a yod to Chiron/Neptune sextile Pluto and is square Jupiter with Mercury opp Neptune (leave that one to you guys) – but, the Libra NM is square to Pluto and opp Uranus, Mars quinc Pluto, Moon quinc Jupiter – sounds like James Brown meets Beethoven and playing the Star Mangled Banner (Jimi Hendrix interp)to a setting by Orpheus with Alaister Crowley conducting – check ‘em out, and lets not fergit special guest, Elenin….

        • I’ll settle for The Mahavishnu Orchestra’s Apocalypse….

  10. lol, I had no idea about the sound horoscope. Very cool! I’m currently going through this transit. In fact, pluto just went retrograde only some 12 minutes from being exactly opposite. It will be direct and come exactly opposite my moon in January.

    I have been going through a lot of behavior changes lately. Whether of my own decision or not is another matter, but with Saturn geared to transit over my natal pluto in the 12th, I think there’s plenty more on the horizon. I may just wind up hiding in a cave somewhere. lol :-P

    Here’s the chart for when Pluto is EXACTLY opposite my moon.

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      • Hi John, I copied the url to get to the pic, then copied it to my desktop. You can upload images from your computer in these comments:

        • Yes, I had tried that initially but for some reason it never showed up. Browser related? (google chrome via Mac)
          In any case, appreciate the techno-tag in! ^.^

          Oh! In addition, nothing has come up with my mother at all aside us talking slightly more often. Though, my sister just got a new job in a prison. (My mom works in a prison as well). I’m a baker. Go figure. ;-)

  11. Would this apply to the Pluto Square Moon transit, too?


    • I hope not, if you are facing it. Find somewhere safe to hide out.
      I barely survived Pluto square my Sun before it kicked straight into Pluto opp Moon…I don’t know where the next punch is coming from these days.
      I did a chart for being severely beaten by a very charming gentleman and that was Pluto square Moon but that could have nothing to do with anything.
      Good luck.

  12. I will live this on my solar return 2013… will read carefully! Thankyou folks!


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