Fixed Star Zosma

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Zosma at 11°19′ Virgo has an orb of 2°00′
Fixed Star Zosma Star Astrology

Leo Constellation [Stellarium]

The Sun joins Zosma on September 4

Fixed star Zosma, Delta Leonis, is a pale yellow, blue, and violet triple star on the back of the Lion, Leo Constellation. Zosma is from the Greek for Girdle. The other traditional name is Dhur, from the Arabic Al Thahr, The Back. Along with θ Leonis Coxa, it was called the Backs, or Al Háratan, The Ribs.

Degree*

00 ♍ 29
07 ♍ 27
11 ♍ 19
13 ♍ 25
15 ♍ 42

Fixed Star

Phecda
Thuban
Zosma
Coxa
Mizar

Orb

2°00′
1°00′
2°00′
1°00′
2°10′

Zosma Star Astrology

Fixed star Zosma is of the nature of Saturn and Venus (slovenly, very immoral, shameless, revolting, mean, sorrows in love. If rising, good-tempered, healthy, gain by industry and marriage. If culminating, improved health, fame by help of superiors). It causes benefit by disgrace, selfishness, egotism, immorality, meanness, melancholy, unhappiness of mind and fear of poison, and gives an unreasonable, shameless and egotistical nature. [1]

Its reputation is that of giving an alert mind, but also inclination to melancholic moods. Conjunction the malefic, danger by poison and disease of the intestinal tract are indicated. These interpretations have to be considered with utmost caution and restraint. [2]

The Venusian star Zosma indicates those who have the ability to prophesy. On the Euphrates the star, along with Coxa, was the god Kua, the Oracle. In medieval times this star was also considered to portend many of the problems connected with the planetary Venus. [3]

It has Ptolemy’s fairly unusual classification as a Saturn-Venus type, like Denebola not too far from it, and thus therefore be considered as of somewhat the same nature. It holds a position of quite some strength in the Lion’s anatomy (along with Coxa, of course) and can thus be seen as a source of strength in a horoscope… showing a somewhat critical turn of mind but with a constructive intent behind it so long as the aspect and the planet on it in the horoscope are in harmony with it.

If that not be the case then Zosma is calling for the cultivation of constructiveness if the subject of the horoscope wants to live life harmoniously. Given that proviso, it is generally held to be ‘benefic’ by any authority, most of whom go so far as to promise high government or managerial office on account of it. Mars seems to be the one planet not to welcome in conjunction with Zosma, the critical ‘I know better than everyone else’ attitude being hardest to overcome then. But if it is overcome, then this star as a source of strength in situation demanding hard work can well be at its very best. Like all else in the heavens, it only shows what we have to use wisely and beneficially; it does not force us in how we actually use those tools. [4]

Zosma star rules the left side of the body to the back of the lungs in the human body. [5]

Leo Constellation

In mundane astrology Leo Constellation is associated with royal events especially the ascension or death of kings and queens, the election or death of heads of state, assassinations, uprisings and massacres, currency and the stock exchange, the Vatican and European Union.

11th Arabic Manzil – Al Zubrah

Good for voyages, gain by merchandise, redemption of captives.

With Moon: Plant, marry but do not navigate.

26th Chinese Xiù – 張 (Zhāng) Extended Net

The name of this mansion is taken to mean “spreading”, like a net. Associated with festivities, such as after a good hunt (game collected for a feast). As it was customary to bring presents on such occasions, this mansion indicated gifts/presents.

Right conduct is rewarded. It brings harmonious relationships and rewards due to industriousness such as promotion and salary increase. Good for family reunions and acquiring new property. It also presages the sickness of the authority figure.

Zosma Star, Delta Leonis

Zosma, Delta Leonis [www.nikomi.net]

Zosma Star Conjunctions

Ascendant conjunct Zosma: Nigel Farage 0°37′

Midheaven conjunct Zosma: Improved health, fame by help of superiors. [1] Rupert Murdoch 1°11′

Descendant conjunct Zosma: George Clooney 1°11′, Nancy Spungen 1°43′

Part of Fortune conjunct Zosma: Henri Matisse 0°04′, Emperor Nero 1°18′

Sun conjunct Zosma: Beyoncé 0°55′, Liz Greene 0°59′, Dr. Phil McGraw 1°36′

Moon conjunct Zosma: Can cause depression but also good instincts and visions. Drug addiction or sensitivity, motion sickness or anxiety felt in the stomach. Emperor Nero 1°24′

Mercury conjunct Zosma (0°30′ orb): This causes weakness in the lungs such as pleurisy on the left side of the lungs. There is a weak energy flow to this area which brings mucus and infected poisons that weakens the capacity of the lungs. Wrapping a cloth containing chamomile around the chest and back would greatly help this weak area. Also, drinking chamomile tea would bring much relief. [5] JonBenét Ramsey 0°55′

Venus conjunct Zosma: Sean Penn 0°19′

Mars conjunct Zosma: The critical ‘I know better than everyone else’ attitude is hard to overcome. But if it is overcome, then this star as a source of strength in a situation demanding hard work can well be at its very best. [4] George W. Bush 1°15′, William Lilly 1°32′

Saturn conjunct Zosma: This is similar to the placement of Mercury at this degree. With this planet. there is more restriction in the breathing. If both Mercury and Saturn are conjunct at this degree, the restriction here would cause a collapse of the lungs. Wrapping a cloth containing both ginseng and chamomile herbs would help this weakness greatly. Drinking the two herbs as a tea would be of great benefit also. [5]

Uranus conjunct Zosma: Sara Aldrete 0°06′, Brad Pitt 0°44′, Frederick the Great 1°05′

Neptune conjunct Zosma: Napoleon Bonaparte 0°37′, Roman Polanski 1°01′, Yoko Ono 1°18′, Robert the Bruce 1°35′

Pluto conjunct Zosma: Michael Jordan 0°23′, Jim Carrey 0°58′, Boris Johnson 0°58′, Johnny Depp 1°10′, Nigel Farage 1°20′, Courtney Love 1°21′

North Node conjunct Zosma: Charles Dickens 0°25′

South Node conjunct Zosma: MacKenzie Scott 0°29′, Edgar Cayce 0°54′

References

  1. Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson, 1923, p.219.
  2. Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.55.
  3. Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.32.
  4. The Living Stars, Dr Eric Morse, 1988, p.61.
  5. The Fixed Star Health and Behavior Imbalance, Ted George and Barbara Parker, 1985, p.69.
  • All fixed star positions are for the year 2000. Add one degree per 72 years to correct for precession.

64 thoughts on “Fixed Star Zosma

  1. In light of very interesting political swings in the UK/Europe – I note Nigel Farage has Uranus, Asc and Pluto on Zosma – with the Asc exact. Zosma gets bad press but it also is the star of people who want to take up a cause. Personally I think a lot of the “lore” of fixed stars is just that – lore and not law. If views as part of the Leo constellation its more apt to be the trail blazer of a cause but when it filters through into the personality zodiac and is seen in Virgo – well Virgo is not a natural trail blazer and perhaps the soul/personality challenge is to drop the fear so inherent in zodiacal Virgo.
    Of course Farage also has the GCC on his Sun right now – so this is his time for crusading.
    http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Nigel_Farage

  2. loved it many thanks. astrology really rocks. i have atropos trine zosma my sun mars 10 leo i was poisened with a bloody niddle.i really loved ur hard work blessings

    • Hard to know really. Read the general description and over time you may come to realize how it affects your good relationships and the path you are on.

  3. I have my moon conjunct Zosma at 9 64

    When I was 2 years old, my left lung collapsed due to pneumonia. Since then I have taken good care of my body through years of physical exercise so I don’t have asthma or any problems today. Definitely agree with the visions, instincts, and depression.

  4. I have my sun at 11’36” virgo, so closely conjunct ( asc at 3, mercury at 9 virgo as well ). Have not had any lung problems, but I am very sensitive to a lot of drugs, alcohol and foods, also motion sickness. Fairly melancholic as well, but I chaulk that up to scorpio IC, and 12th house mars,pluto, and venus.

    • Thanks for the feedback, but I would think a fixed star would have more impact than a House. Stars emit energy while houses are ambiguous really, imagined by humans.

  5. Hi Jamie. The asteroid bearing my name is exactly conjunct Zosma in the 9th house of my chart. It has only one aspect – squaring the asteroid name of my stepdaughter which is on the 12th house cusp. Any thoughts or insight? Thanks for sharing your talents and heart with us all.

    • Hi Maria. I can’t add much here. I guess you will have to wait some time to see how your relationship works out with her. Perhaps she causes low moods in you?

  6. My Dad has this star conjunct his moon. The description is spot on!

    • He also has his moon square Mercury – Mercury conjunct star Awaid.

    • Same as me. Pluto square Moon transit changed things a lot. Drugs, crime, homeless and major depression. But I had to go to the depths I think, Can’t be very very good until you been very very bad. Now I feel more evolved to the “oracle” side of this star.

      • I’m glad that you went through the transformation. I think also, people can’t change until they are willing to take responsibility and admit to what issues or problems they have. The problem with many people, I’ve found, is that they don’t want to take responsibility and instead keep running from it, so they do the drugs, become complacent, take the easy way out etc. Ive known a few drug addicts and as hard as I tried to help them, they didn’t want to give up their life style. But, yes… Sometimes you have to visit the underworld, the dark side to learn and reach the depths of your subconscious world. The hidden depths of the collective consciousness. Maybe this is why we can have strange and disturbing dreams…

        The descent to the ascent, it’s all for the evolution of the soul.

        Do you mind if I ask? Do you believe in God? You don’t have to say on here if you’d rather not.

          • I believe it’s personal will. We all have a choice which direction we decide to take or what we decide to do. A person could advance a lot in one life time because they decided to work on their soul.

            • I didn’t read everything I wrote that you responded to. I just read the part that showed in the email, so I didn’t read back on the question I asked you. Just seen it now. Sometimes I try to respond to messages/emails too quick! Especially on the small screen of my phone, as compared to my laptop screen!

            • I’d like to think that is me. Not being vain but admitting I started behind the pack with a lot of work to do. I have some intense years just ahead but the work is getting easier and more enjoyable.

          • It’s a very interesting subject. I’m going to start researching it soon. You’ve brought it to my attention.

            No, it doesn’t sound vain at all. It’s great that you’ve decided to do the spiritual work. It’s good to recognise the soul growth work you’ve done, it’s self encouragement. Many people seem to be neglecting spiritual advancement and seem to be too engrossed in their ego. Especially with social media, the selfie obsession, materialism etc. There is so much narcissism n society.

            By the way… Boo’s just ran in with a mouse! Argh! It’s dead though. Got to get it off her and hide it in a bush somewhere in the garden. I’m in my pajamas, sleepy and ready for bed! Not in the mood for this! It’s bed time for you too now Boo! (My little cat).

      • Same as me Jamie, I’m currently going through a transiting Neptune opposite natal moon conjunct Zosma. The last few years have been intense. Heavy drugs, major depression, homeless, hallucinations…
        I agree with you that sometimes you have to understand yourself at the worst to understand all of yourself. All these so called negative things are a part of us…

        • I have swollen feet at the moment but all the tests came back fine last week. Neptune hard to diagnose or maybe not really there, I do sit at this desk over 12 hours a day.

          I think the Pluto square evolved me out of the nastiness I had, which actually came from being in pain and in such a negative mood. I had self administered for this pain my whole adult life with various illegal drugs. Haven’t even stolen a pen for over 10 years since I had to go on the run from the law.

          Now I am on high doses of medications but they are legal thankfully. My doctor and specialists work with me and are very supportive. I am on the highest dose of Suboxone and am allowed to stay forever at that level. Also on double dose of Laxapro. This combination for the lats 2 years has been such a relief. I feel normal, makes me just like everyone else with regular brain chemistry. I have never been so productive at work and never been such a good parent as I am now. I am happy!

          • Wow! That is amazing to hear! I just got on suboxone 16mg and double dose of Zoloft the last month. I go into treatment next week for IV heroin addiction. Im hoping that my brain chemistry can be at healthy state for me and that I can say the same as you soon. It is hopeful to know that someone else is happy after similar struggles.

            I’ve had some intense transits lately. Pluto square ascendant and trine Chiron. Pluto conjunct my Neptune, Uranus & Vesta conjunction. Saturn will hit my north node soon and I’m hoping my Jupiter return at 14.31 libra conjunct my midheaven will bring more light into my life in the coming months.

            • Wow, talk about synchronicity! I just know you will be fine. You will be so happy soon. Honestly, when your brain has enough serotonin and other happy chemicals, even the most difficult of transits seem so much easier to cope with. Our lives don’t have to totally crumble just because of a hard transit. All we are doing is using science to catch up with the norm, making our brain function as it should. Keep in touch Michelle.

      • Sometimes you need to feel a great deal of emotion to heal. I think we can become blocked or even stagnant if we don’t allow ourselves to feel that deep level of emotion. I’m allowing myself to feel that deep level of blocked emotion through music, art, and a moderate amount of alochol and I’m feeling a lot better. It’s very therapeutic to get in touch with those deep routed feelings from the feminine subconsciousness. Hidden – deep within the soul. And healing in a solitary way.

        • You are definitely right about the need for solitary healing with Zosma. The feminine subconscious link is something I had not thought of but makes sense to me with Moon conjunct Zosma. Perhaps it applies to the star in general though. Moderation is the key but with Ceres at the midpoint of my Jupiter trine AC it is either all or nothing. My life has improved greatly since I stopped drinking 4 or 5 years ago. I am still dependent on opium in the medicinal form of Suboxone. Fortunately is does not result in “buildups in the body”, so long as I use laxatives 🙂 But the biggest improvement would have to come from quitting smoking because of the buildup of toxins. This would apply even more to marijuana as some of its chemicals stay active in the body for over 3 months.

          • Moon is the emotions. An astrologer I really like who puts weekly videos of him talking about the current transits and how its effecting us, and how to progress with these transits (his name is Kaypacha, he’s on Youtube), often talks about healing with the feminine; basically after thousands of years of patriarchy and shame, guilt etc which is of a Saturnian (as you know – the patriarch) nature. We need more femininity, and emotion in the world – AND LOVE (Venus) ! My ex never expressed emotion and this made me feel suppressed. I don’t mind at all a man who show’s emotion. It isn’t weak – it’s natural and flowing. To not express these emotions, is blocking the energy and then it transmutes into anger – gets blocked in the solar plexus chakra. I think it helps calm us to be in touch with our inner emotions, especially that of which have been hidden or suppressed. It’s been helping me a lot. I’ve been healing through feeling. Magnesium Citrate can be used to help build-ups. Also – prunes! I’m really glad that you made that turn around (drink and drugs)! An ex boyfriend of mine was a heavy drinker and I ended up following suit. He was a bad influence on me, but since about 22, I have drunk in moderation. I’ve had the odd night here and there of really “boozing it up!” I can’t do it these days though, as I just get really depressed as a side effect! Yes, and smoking is really bad for gum health – it reduces circulation around teeth and gums! It can make the gum bone and tissue recede. It’s also not nice for kissing or eating. I can imagine that it could effect your taste buds? Marijuana’s a bad one; I think that drug induced my Mum’s psychosis. I also know a 26 year old girl (marijuana smoker) who was admitted into hospital this year and diagnosed with psychosis. That drug’s really bad for the brain! In the long term it causes the dopamine receptor in the brain to overproduce the hormone, causing a detrimental imbalance (you probably already know this). As far as I know – it’s an irreversible condition. When a person has schizophrenia; they have it for the rest of their lives.

            • Yes, you seem to be in a good place. I really enjoyed having a few drinks now and again to unwind but unfortunately I can’t. It’s either on or off for me with addictive things. Perhaps that is Moon habits being on this star. I also blame an overboard Jupiter trine AC, with Ceres (ruler or opium) at the midpoint. Culpeper assigned marijuana to Saturn.What do you think about Uranus or Chiron ruling man made chemical drugs like ice?

  7. May I ask what zosma conjunct ascendant would mean in the natal chart? It’s also conjunct the south node and square sun. Please, I would really appreciate your insight! I can’t find many interpretations online

    • No, you won’t find much about this star online. I expect Zosma to have a depressing effect on your relationships, like when you first meet someone they might sense some gloom or sadness. Ac is also the physical expression of your soul, i.e. your body. So there may be health implication if you have a bad diet or drink, smoke etc.

  8. Hi Jamie; well what I think about drugs is that they are related to certain chakras. I strongly believe this. Heroin addiction is related to the emotions and alcohol is too. This is an imbalanced sacral chakra. The sacral chakra is emotions, sex, creative self-expression, giving and receiving, the inner-child. Marijuana addiction – 3rd eye chakra. Cocaine the solar plexus. Caffeine, sugar and smoking – the heart chakra. This page has some really good information on the chakra energy systems in the body/spirit: http://www.reiki-for-holistic-health.com/chakra-diagram.html I would put marijuana with Neptune (any kind of hallucinogenic). And these crazy man made drugs, full of unpredictable toxins – hmmm? It’s almost devilish – like the underworld. Pluto? There’s a real darkness about these drugs. Lilith? Any drug that’s potentially lethal – it’s related to the dark side of human nature. Dark stars too? I think they must be the origins of these nasty drugs. The people who make them; what aspects do they have in their charts? Really dark, evil, wicked stars?

    • You are on to something. I believe it comes down to certain vibrations. Some things seem to share vibrations, eg color, musical note, chakra, planet, endocrine gland, fixed star even?

  9. My Moon is at 11°12′ Virgo. Good instincts and visions, motion sickness or anxiety felt in stomach – spot on! Marijuana addiction in youth was there too…
    Thank you Jamie!

  10. My grandsons birthday on sept 2. US, southern florida, EDT. There is a solar eclipse at 9:21 Virgo. His sun is 10:11. Also has Mercury 28:25 Jupiter 28:47 conjunction at his ascendant 29:18 on same day. Also has transiting Chiron conjunction natal vertex 23:53 in same degree Pisces. Transiting Neptune and Chiron all oppose Virgo packed house transits occurring. To say the least I expect he will have something of significance to occur. Would you read the same or any comments?

    • I agree but hard to be specific Sharon. You may see him come out of his shell if he has one, or be more a=definite about his goals.

    • I agree but hard to be specific Sharon. You may see him come out of his shell if he has one, or be more definite about his goals.

  11. I have my ascendant on Zosma at 11’18”. It’s really hard for me to hide if I am sad and unhappy. I can’t fake being happy at all. I wouldn’t be a good actress because it is so hard to hide the way I feel, especially if it’s a negative emotion. I feel like people can see me wear this emotion very clearly. My negative emotions seem to come across way clearer to people than my positive emotions and this can happen without me even speaking. I feel like people don’t see my positive emotions that much.They don’t tell me what they are thinking about me exactly, but I can sense what they think of me. I pick up on people’s unspoken thoughts and I can catch glimpses of their personal life without them telling me. I just need to be with them for about five minutes to start seeing it. I receive a lot of stand-off vibes from people like my energy alone throws them off. Sometimes the tone of my voice sounds sad or beat down. The ones I attract the strongest and get to know the deepest are really unhappy with their lives and they come to me feeling relieved, like I can make it all better for them. But often times they become parasitic to me and drain me of my own energy. They feel like I can relate to their problems. I’ve always been a cushion to fall on. I’ve always been a receptive ear for people’s deep unhappiness and unlucky stories. Something negative that often occurs, is my feeling that my presence alone can put one in touch with their unconscious negative emotions and that makes them uncomfortable or freaked out by me so they distance themselves.

    • I can really relate to this with Moon on Zosma and not being able to fake my moods. As for being drained by psychic vampires, you can turn that around but it is not natural for us to turn a cold shoulder, its takes effort and feels uncomfortable at first. I think it tool a Pluto transit to bring out that ruthless nature in me.

      • Interesting about the Pluto transit. I hope that goes the same for me because I have one coming up soon. It really isn’t in my nature at all to be ruthless and it’s hard for me to reject people even if they are sucking energy from me. After so many negative experiences in relationships you would think I would be able to handle this dynamic better but it’s a pattern that can’t seem to break itself.

        • I am heading for 50 and this is only a recent change. but still not a ruthless person at all, having kids also taught me to be more selfish with my energy, to save energy and resources for them and not give it away for free to leeches.

          • Zosma feels like an ancient pure female soul. An overlooked gentle being. Unable to be tainted.

  12. I have Saturn, Moon and N. Node on Zosma (all of them within 1° orb) and I can only confirm every single point from depressions, great visions (this one the most!!), sensitivity and with Saturn also breathing problems, tension in the chest and asthma too. Too bad you don’t have any info about the node on that point.

    • Excellent feedback Madonna. We are developing an accurate picture for this star now. With lunar nodes I usually combine any interpretations for the Sun and Moon. In your case this star is all about your past and your karmic journey. You must have been a very significant oracle back in the day. I would even say in a major temple of the major temple of a great civilization at the height of its power.

  13. hey jamie, i have zosma Conjunct Venus in my Midheaven. In your opinion how would you interpret thatConjunction?. I have also hit some major “stormy seas”I have been in some major struggles since the September 1st solar eclipse + I have studied all the fixed Stars you gave me aswell. Thanks 10-15-80

  14. I have Uranus on Zosma what would that do. Would it increase the effects of a sharp mind perhaps or mental instability?

  15. I have this star exact on my ascendant also exactly conjunct my Virgo moon. This post is beyond accurate.

    In the past when I’d just start dating, a woman’s name would suddenly start running around my mind and when I’d spew it out loud, so randomly at times, sometimes incorporating a story about a celebrity with the same first name….whichever man I was with would look a bit different.

    Any time that happened I started knowing, the guy would still be in another relationship while trying his luck with me, and the name in my mind was the exact name of the other woman. I’d move on right away as these things happened…and when I was in the long term relationship, near its end I also could here another woman’s name, and easily understand why he was suddenly so nice…and that is who he left me for…depressing right? or maybe that is why the star is also attributed to depression.

    same happened when there were job interviews and I’d know if i got it or not as i’d sense the exact words the interviewer would use, and in social settings my friends attributed me knowing what they are about to say before they say it, to me being very attentive or caring…and I am towards people in general,

    but the way the words randomly come with a feeling attached to them begging me to say them out loud, as if I was getting possessed was strange until I found your post about Zosma here now…

    would you expect a stronger activation of this stars energies for people with a conjunction of sorts to this star,
    this coming full moon, or a stronger challenge by the Sun and Neptune opposition towards it where some events or people may try even harder to make you have doubts against your strong intuition to further their own ends, because in truth this star, is a tool to move forward at a faster speed than others?

  16. Interesting horoscope I found this star rising in Virgo conjunct Dwight D. Eisenhowers Saturn within 2 degrees. Eike had Virgo rising in his ascendant with other stars that reflected connection with the masses and catastrophes which is exactly what Eike used his service to mankind on D Day. Saturn was also square Pluto and Neptune in Gemini connoting lots of forceful energy toward radical changes.

      • Thankyou! ☺️ Haha hopefully somebody with it finds fame soon. Will be curious to see someone else who has it. Zosma is conjunct my Venus/MC.

  17. Jamie, the asteroid bearing my name sits exactly conjunct Zosma in my natal chart. I have had a lot of stomach issues and have also been poisoned at various times in my life, and I suffer the last years from a chronic illness that is directly linked to both points. I can also identify very well with the Saturn/Venus influence, however those life challenges and trials have also provided me with benefits and positives as well… As example, the asteroid Karma sits on top of my Venus along with the asteroid bearing my husbands name! When we met, Saturn was also exactly opposite Venus on my ascendant axis!
    Don’t you just love astrology?!

    • Yes Maria I sure do. I checked out so may asteroids and found similar astounding connections, especially in synastry.

      • Jamie I’ve just clocked that in my progressed chart the asteroid karma and my Venus (which turned retrograde almost exactly when I met my husband) will soon conjunct Zosma (which as I noted above is natally conjunct the asteroid bearing my name). Any take on what prog Venus R conjunct Zosma would mean (and obviously it relates to something karmic!) Thanks for any insight you or others may have!

  18. my husband has his IC perfectly on Zosma…and he IS THE ORACLE..(rahu is also nearby..but out of orb of the fixed star)..maybe the orb is increased with the IC.
    Anyway..my husband can become depressed..or shaken easily..But he is a HUGE Oracle. He can find..anything..(over the phone)
    He can find me…anywhere in the city without a clue or a cell phone..
    He..can download the answers to complicated questions..like what is the cause of a problem. He is a “machine whisperer”..fixes expensive large carpentry machines…and he “gets” the answer to what is wrong specifically with the machine..while he’s driving toward the machine..he can solve problems that have stumped other for months…because the answer just lights up for him..

    One time I called him on the phone..to locate a small item..can’t remember what it was now..but He said without hesitation..it is in the outside pocket of a black suitcase..that is in the attic…and YEP …he was right..

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