Precession of the Equinoxes

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Precession of the Equinoxes

Precession of the Equinoxes

The Precession of the equinoxes is a process whereby the position of the stars and constellations gradually move in relation the seasons. This means that the twelve astrology signs that once roughly aligned with the constellations of the same name, no longer do. The rate of precession is one degree every 72 years = 0.838 minutes per year, or more precisely, 50.2675 seconds per year.

The word Zodiac comes from the Greek zõdiakos (animals) kuklo (circle). It refers to the constellations of stars around the ecliptic. The ecliptic is the path that the Sun, Moon and planets take through the stars as viewed from Earth. Astronomers still refer to the zodiac as this path through the stars and constellations.

Astrologers refer to the zodiac as the 12 equal Sun signs of celestial longitude. Once upon a time, astronomy and astrology were one, and the shaman, druids, or priests simply divided up this ring of stars into varying numbers of constellations depending upon the culture. For example, in ancient Babylon the circle was divided up into 17 or 18 constellations of varying length. In ancient India, this ring of stars was divided up into 27 or 28 lunar mansions of varying length based on bright stars.

Astrology is the study of the effects that celestial objects like planets and stars have on us down here on Earth. It was always based on the spatial relationships between the planets and between the planets and the stars. That is why the original zodiacs were star based. Because some cultures evolved from a nomadic to a farming way of life, a new zodiac was developed based on seasons.

It was a calender really and was eventually divided up into 12 equal segments which is the zodiac we use today. It was developed around the 7th century BC and as an ecliptic coordinate system, it:

was a convenient celestial measuring device, unrelated to astrological activity…it was being used at that time for the recording of astronomical data, yet observation of the effects of the planets for astrological purposes continued to be related to the visible constellations. [ Heavenly Imprints, Deborah Houlding]

Measuring Device

The 12 equal segments in this calendrical measuring device were named after the twelve major constellations around the ecliptic, Aries, Taurus etc because the sort of roughly fitted in at the time. It was a very rough fit though, constellation Virgo is 46 degrees in length while constellation Cancer is only 4 degrees long across the ecliptic. Gradually the astrological meaning of the constellations was transferred to this new measuring device and the thing was given interpretive meaning.

The divisions are called sun signs, named after the constellations but now not at all related to them, purely symbolic. What we know as horoscopic astrology today is the result, and most astrology, Western and Vedic, traditional and modern, comes from this. All the rules such as elements, sign rulers, detriment etc are based on these zodiac signs, or Sun signs.

These abstract ideas were cemented in a book called Tetrabiblos by Claudius Ptolemy (Ptolemy) in the 2nd century AD. He adopted an astronomical calculation concerning the starting point of the zodiac which resulted in a fictitious moving (tropical) zodiac being popularised, which became the basis of the birth of modern Western astrology.

Now astrology shows little resemblance to it’s origins. The signs of the zodiac we use today do not relate to the constellations from which they derive their name and meaning. The idea of having 12 equal segments reflecting the influence of the stars is a nonsense. Even stars within a single constellation can have very different influences, and of course there are many more constellations to consider that are not on the ecliptic. To make things even more ridiculous, precession of the equinoxes in the last 2,000 years means the constellations are a whole sign away from the sun signs bearing their name.

Precession Astrology

Precession is the movement of the stars in relations to the ecliptic. They move forward through our tropical zodiac by about 5 minutes every 6 years, so in one lifetime, or 72 years a star will move one degree forward through the zodiac. This is because the Earth is tilted and moves around this axis every 26,000 years.

Vedic astrologers get around this problem by using the sidereal zodiac, it keeps moving with precession. It’s a patch up job which tries to resolve the problem by matching the Sun signs to the constellations of the same name. However this system is still based on the incorrect assumption that these 12 equal divisions reflect the influence of the irregularly shaped constellations. The rules of Vedic astrology are based on this. When the tropical zodiac was developed, zero degrees of Aries matched up with the first star in constellation Aries. Mesarthim, “the First Star in Aries, as at one time nearest the equinoctial point (392 BC)” [Star Names, Their Lore and Meaning, Richard Hinckley Allen, 1889, p.82.]. That star is now at 3 degrees Taurus.

Ptolemy and the Hellenistic astrologers that followed knew about precession but they chose to ignore it.

There was, perhaps, a more pertinent reason why the astrologers of the early Classical period chose to ignore this matter, one that suggests that by covering up this ‘inherent flaw’ of the zodiac, they were also obscuring a philosophical problem that had wider implications…It was tempting indeed to turn a blind eye, to let some other astrologer deal with it in some future generation when it really mattered. [Heavenly Imprints, Deborah Houlding]

It really matters now. Astronomers and skeptics can easily make astrology a laughing stock because of precession and they continually do so.

Johannes Kepler

I use the zodiac at it was originally intended, preferring to use the tropical zodiac to describe the position of the stars and planets. The degrees of the tropical zodiac are a universal way for astrologers to communicate where a planet or star is, that’s all. The interpretation comes from the relationship between the planets – the aspects, and from the influence of the fixed stars. What I’m doing is nothing new.

The great astrologer Johannes Kepler had a solution to this problem – he basically abandoned the zodiac and built his astrological system around the aspects between the planets. He thought that the zodiac itself was merely a human geometry exercise and primarily served to aid the memory of astrologers as they computed aspects in their heads. [The Zodiac: Sidereal Vs. Tropical, Bruce Scofield]

I also correct for precession to work out transits. Robert Hand, one of the most respected astrologers in the world says:

it is possible to treat the tropical zodiac as if it were moving. In other words, one should treat the natal positions of the planets as if they were fixed stars…My own experience has been that in timing an event the corrected positions are more accurate than the uncorrected ones. [Planets in Transit, Robert Hand, 2001, p.29-30.]

Nearly all astrologers continue to use the Sun signs for interpretation but it has to be understood that these interpretations are purely symbolic, not based on our relationship to the cosmos. It is similar in a way to the use of the cards by a Tarot reader, it aids the intuition to help in a reading.

Taking the meaning of the signs a step further by using rulerships and detriments, even saying someone is lacking in an element such as fire is fundamentally flawed. Astrology is based on the principle that the stars and planets have an effect on us down here, summed up by the words of Hermes Trismegistus, “As above, so below”. It is the planets moving across the backdrop of the stars which influence our lives, not the planets moving through imagined 30 degree divisions on a piece of paper.

A mistake two thousand years ago took root following the Menai massacre of 61 AD. The Druids, the most feared and revered astrologers of all time, left no writings. It’s all in the mind.

107 thoughts on “Precession of the Equinoxes

  1. So as confusing as this is I am going to ask a straight up question. If I was born natally at 3° Gemini does this push my sun sign all the way back to 3° Cancer? I hope not, bc my rising natally is in Cancer and my EP is on this 3° Cancer position, and as per Sabian Symbol goes, it is a very hard degree and people would view that for me as well. Ugh! I’m trying to base it off of what you said about aries at 0° going to Taurus at 3°. So I guess actually it would make it 6° degrees for me then. Is this correct? Please and thank you. I am also still waiting to get some information about my natal yod. Gracias! It seems simiar to Hitlers as well as I have Venus conjunct Mars natally at a 0° orb. I didn’t realize the World saw him so beautiful. By todays standards i would sucker punch him as well as shave that disgusting worm over his upper lip. Taly ho, mate! 😉

  2. The exact degree difference between sidereal and tropical sun sign positions depends on your date of birth but is probably close to 24 degrees. This would put your sun at around 9 degrees in cancer. Your rising would move too and would be at around 9 degrees Leo. All other points and planets in your chart would also move.

    What information are you waiting on concerning your yod?

    If Hitler wasn’t so charismatic and well liked, he wouldn’t have been able to do the things he did. You may have the same energies, it’s how you use them that matters.

    Keep in mind that sidereal astrology is as correct as tropical. Zodiac signs are named after the zodiac constellations but are not aligned with them and never were. They are two separate things.
    Use the system that works best for you. If you feel like a Gemini, use the tropical system. Some astrologers don’t use signs at all.

  3. Discouragement with the zodiac, sidereal, tropical, heliocentric, etc, indicates we’ve entered a period of cosmogenesis.

    The Generative Womb, has been articulated by Laviolette (1997) where the Sequence of the Signs are re-arrange to prepare us for Morphological change:

    2. Aries
    3. Pisces
    4. Gemini
    5. Cancer
    6. Leo

    Emergence of Physical Form:

    7. Scorpio
    8. Sagittarius
    9. Capricorn
    10. Libra
    11. Virgo
    12. Aquarius

    Note the last two. We have spatial New Age charts for these signs. The preparation into new physical form is well underway. It appears to me that we have the new software running in place, on one of its last test programs. A critical stellium this winter, is yet to occur, from which the sequencing becomes more clear.

    • Cosmogenesis Sequence, Initial Stage, Processes in the Energy Field/Ether, the Generative Womb*

      a) Datum 21 June 2020, 8:41am, Cairo, Egypt.
      b) Cosmogenesis order, Zero Point, Summer Solstice, Sun/Moon eclipse,
      c) arcing semi-sextile to MidHeaven, 14Tau00, triggering the sequence start
      d) (Equal Tropical Houses)
      e) Elapsed time calculated from the two Spatial New Charts, rectified to 33 years summation, and further rectified to comets McNaught2007, Ison,Gault,CIBoriso, ratio 0.35
      f) x-y Male-Female, Left-Right, Looking down from MC.

      1.1 Taurus, Uranus 9Tau29 (9th House) Y chromosome
      1.2 Taurus, Asteroid Tunguska 7Tau53 (9th House) Y chromosome
      1.3 Taurus, Capulus and Algol (9th house) X chromosome
      1.4 Taurus, Sedna 28 Tau12 (10th house), X chromosome

      2.1 Aries, Eris 24Ari29 (9th House)
      2.2 Aries, Lilith 16Ari21 (8th House)
      2.3 Aries, Chiron 9Ari15 (8th House)
      2.4 X chromosome

      3.1 Pisces, Mars 25Pis49 (8th House)
      3.2 Pisces, Neptune 20Pis58 (8th House)
      3.3 Pisces, Ceres 12Pis07 (7th House)
      3.4 X chromosome

      4.1 Gemini, Venus Rx 5Gem39 (10 house), Y chromosome

      5.1 Cancer, Mercury Rx 14Can25 (11 house) Y chromosome

      6.1 Leo, Ascendant 18Leo15, Pars Fortuna 18Leo15, Y chromosome

      Ref, Laviolette
      Ref, Gerald/astrologyking

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        f) x-y Female-Male
        More on this in further posts. ref Ilya Prigogine, Brusselator.

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        c) semi-square, midpoint, to the MC and Ascendent, triggering the sequence start at the MC

    • Emergence of Physical Form:

      “The second six signs in the sequence follow the growth of this seed energy fluctuation as it develops into a sub atomic particle.” Ref. Laviolette

      7.1 the Scorpio, Imum Coeli IC 14Sco00

      “The revolution to overthrow the ether’s uniform state has begun”

      8.1 Sagittarius, Galactic Centre 27Sag08 (5th House)
      8.2 Sagittarius, Vertex 23Sag59 (5th House)
      8.3 X chromosome

      “The growing fluctuation of the two ether complements, X and Y, has begun to disrupt the ether’s uniform distribution At This Site (emphasis mine)”

      9.1 Capricorn, Pallas Athena 26Cap51 (6th House)
      9.2 Capricorn, Jupiter 25Cap07 (6th house)
      9.3 Capricorn, Pluto 24Cap19 (6th House)
      9.4 X chromosome

      “The energy fluctuations grows exponentially as the the concentration of the one ether complement increases at the expense of the other.”

      10.1 Libra, Arcturus/Spica (3rd House), Y chromosome

      “Because the ether complements X and Y are produced by two mutually interlinked reaction processes, the increase in abundance of the one complement being limited by the decrease in abundance of its partner. So, as the initial discrepancy spreads radially outward, the balance begins to swing the other way, allowing the other partner to have the upper hand.”

      11.1 Virgo, Deep Space Galaxy Cluster (2nd House), Y chromosome

      “X/Y energy potential wave pattern is refined and made Regular (emphasis mine) in its nurturing ether is womb; it develops into a mature subatomic particle of precise wavelength.

      12.1 Aquarius, Saturn 00Aqr40 (6th House), X chromosome.

      “The process of matter creation repeats through the interplay of form-generating and form-stabilizing processes; evolution proceeds, and materialized particles are disseminated through space.”

    • Tarot Major Arcana 0 -10 and Cosmogenesis

      “Creation science concepts are presented in the major arcana” ref Laviollete

      The starting Point with the 3rd chart of the new age trilogy, the Summer Solstice/Solar Eclipse, 21 June 2020, 8:41am Cairo, Egypt:

      0 the Fool, Sun/Moon 0 point Summer Solstice.
      1 the Magician, Taurus
      2 the Priestess, Aries
      3 the Empress, Pisces
      4 the Emperor, Gemini
      5 the Pope, Cancer
      6 the Lover, Leo

      7 the Chariot, Scorpio
      8 Justice, Sagittarius
      9 the Hermit, Capricorn
      10, the Wheel of Fortune, Libra
      ——- Virgo
      ——- Aquarius

      Note, This is not the LaViolette sequence, which shares signs and sequence to give zodiac homes to 0 to 10 in the arcana.

      The Absence of arcana to the last two signs is an adjustment, reflecting the impact of the two spatial new age charts, Virgo and Aquarius.

    • Asteroids of Cosmogenesis:

      Picasso 4221

      January 12, 1996, Aquarius
      MC 1Sag46
      IC 1Gem46
      Picasso 16Leo35

      November 29, 2011, Virgo
      MC 1Gem08
      IC 1Sag08
      Picasso 6Tau38

      June 21, 2020, 0 Point
      ASC 18Leo15
      MC 14Tau00
      IC 14Sco00
      Picasso 1Gem45

      Note Picasso 4221 in all three charts. How he paints, at the time of Cosmogenesis, especially on the Gravity axis. And how he picks up his tools and paint on the Ascendant.

      • “Meta-games* are rarely played in their pure form. The Art Game ideally is directed toward the expression of an inner awareness loosely defined as beauty. The awareness is purely subjective. One man’s beauty can be another man’s horror. The beautiful of one age can seem ugly to another. But bad players of the art game have no inner awareness at all. They are technically proficient and imitate those who have awareness, conforming to the fashion whatever that fashion may be. The whole Art Game, as played today, is heavily tainted with commercialism, the greed of the collector pervades it like a bad smell. It is further complicated by the tendency to show off that afflicts almost all contemporary artists, whether they be painters, sculptors, writers or composers. As all traditional concepts of the beautiful have been abandoned, anything goes, just so long as it is new and startling. This makes it almost impossible to tell whether a given work of art corresponds to some inner awareness of the artist or merely shows that he was trying to be clever.”

        Ref. Robert S De Ropp(1968)

        *Meta games hierarchy:
        -Master game, awakening
        -Religion game, salvation
        -Science game, knowledge
        -Art game, beauty

        • There is a photo art visual of the Cosmogenesis model posted on the Canadian dating site
          Location: Cowichan,
          Identity: Mosture69

          Ref. Art Basel
          Maurizio Cattelan

  4. When does the Age of Aquarius begin?

    Posted by Bruce McClure and Deborah Byrd in HUMAN WORLD | January 9, 2019

    Astronomers and astrologers may agree that the Age of Aquarius starts when the vernal equinox point moves out of constellation Pisces and into Aquarius. But when will that be? There’s no definitive answer.

    A commentator named Jason posts a chart a few days ago of the February 4, 1962 chart with the October 28, 2019 New Moon transits. And he thinks he sees something.

  5. This is stupid. There’s a reason ancient astrologers opted to ignore this, Astrology was made on a premise that planets of our system orbit planet Earth. This premise cannot be changed. And with time people chose to ignore this fact because its the only system that astrology knows. This too should also be ignored. Just like mercury retrograde only looks like that, we know it does not actually move backwards…

  6. Astronomers and astrophysicists are not going to explain everything, I’m getting tired of their God like complex.
    Traditional astronomers laid the ground work for them and did not interfere with or trash talk astrology because they had better things to do, they did not have taxpayer funded technology doing all the work leaving them idle.
    Idle modern day astronomers should stop sticking their noses in astrology and focus on the fact that they are out of touch and without astrology very few would care what they are on about.
    Some Americans have already questioned NASA’s relevance to their daily lives and asked why should they continue to finance its expensive missions.
    We are not really interested in Pluto being a dwarf planet, we want to know what Pluto is about and how his energy affects us, based on the observations made from a group of people who have Pluto placements and aspects.
    Psychology works on the same premise.
    Astronomers tell us the sun is so many million light years away from earth.
    Who cares about that? What matters to people is what father sun does for and to us. It gives us light, it keeps us warm during the day, its the best sanitiser, its good for our mental health, over exposure is not good for the skin, etc.
    Medical scientists did a better job of defining the relationship between living organisms and the sun. That’s just one example of someone else succeeding where astronomers have failed. IF modern day astronomers and astrophysicists think they have answers for everything.
    Astrology works for me and no astronomer or astrophysicist is going to tell me otherwise.
    They make mockery of astrology saying its not science, well, it doesn’t have to fit their narrow definition of science to work for me.
    At some stage psychology was not regarded as science because it did not fit the narrow definition.
    Astrology should have evolved and have been formalised, the major problem is that every jack and jill can create a website and claim to be an astrologer and post a lot of unsubstantiated junk based on their personal experiences.
    You are not going to dispute observations and cases documented by consulting astrologers. If you are going to do that you may as well dispute those made by psychologists.
    Psychologists worked hard to make psychology what it i today, astrologers should do the same.
    Astrology is growing, if astronomers don’t like that that’s their problem to solve not with formulas that make no sense.
    Lastly, precession is noted but our sun signs will stay, its not just about the location of the planets, sun, moon and fixed stars. It’s also about the archetypes. If you are going to shoot down the archetypes you may as well shoot down a lot that psychologists have documented.
    the difference bet
    Today we have Biblical astrology, Medical astrology, psychologists are embracing astrology and there’s nothing astronomers can do to stop that.

  7. They are impressed, and Mother is dancing, we move up several notches. Our galaxy shines very bright right now.

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