Precession of the Equinoxes

Precession of the Equinoxes

Precession of the Equinoxes

The Precession of the equinoxes is a process whereby the position of the stars and constellations gradually move in relation to the seasons. This means that the twelve astrology signs that once roughly aligned with the constellations of the same name, no longer do. The rate of precession is one degree every 72 years = 0.838 minutes per year, or more precisely, 50.2675 seconds per year.

The word Zodiac comes from the Greek zõdiakos (animals) kuklo (circle). It refers to the constellations of stars around the ecliptic. The ecliptic is the path that the Sun, Moon, and planets take through the stars as viewed from Earth. Astronomers still refer to the zodiac as this path through the stars and constellations.

Astrologers refer to the zodiac as the 12 equal Sun signs of celestial longitude. Once upon a time, astronomy and astrology were one, and the shaman, druids, or priests simply divided up this ring of stars into varying numbers of constellations depending upon the culture. For example, in ancient Babylon, the circle was divided up into 17 or 18 constellations of varying lengths. In ancient India, this ring of stars was divided up into 27 or 28 lunar mansions of varying lengths based on bright stars.

Astrology is the study of the effects that celestial objects like planets and stars have on us down here on Earth. It was always based on the spatial relationships between the planets and between the planets and the stars. That is why the original zodiacs were star-based. Because some cultures evolved from a nomadic to a farming way of life, a new zodiac was developed based on seasons.

It was a calendar really and was eventually divided up into 12 equal segments which is the zodiac we use today. It was developed around the 7th century BC and as an ecliptic coordinate system, it:

was a convenient celestial measuring device, unrelated to astrological activity…it was being used at that time for the recording of astronomical data, yet observation of the effects of the planets for astrological purposes continued to be related to the visible constellations. [ Heavenly Imprints, Deborah Houlding]

Measuring Device

The 12 equal segments in this calendrical measuring device were named after the twelve major constellations around the ecliptic, Aries, Taurus, etc because they sort of roughly fitted in at the time. It was a very rough fit though, constellation Virgo is 46 degrees in length while constellation Cancer is only 4 degrees long across the ecliptic. Gradually the astrological meaning of the constellations was transferred to this new measuring device and the thing was given interpretive meaning.

The divisions are called sun signs, named after the constellations but now not at all related to them, purely symbolic. What we know as horoscopic astrology today is the result, and most astrology, Western and Vedic, traditional and modern, comes from this. All the rules such as elements, sign rulers, detriment, etc are based on these zodiac signs, or Sun signs.

These abstract ideas were cemented in a book called Tetrabiblos by Claudius Ptolemy (Ptolemy) in the 2nd century AD. He adopted an astronomical calculation concerning the starting point of the zodiac which resulted in a fictitious moving (tropical) zodiac being popularised, which became the basis of the birth of modern Western astrology.

Now astrology shows little resemblance to its origins. The signs of the zodiac we use today do not relate to the constellations from which they derive their name and meaning. The idea of having 12 equal segments reflecting the influence of the stars is nonsense. Even stars within a single constellation can have very different influences, and of course, there are many more constellations to consider that are not on the ecliptic. To make things even more ridiculous, the precession of the equinoxes in the last 2,000 years means the constellations are a whole sign away from the sun signs bearing their name.

Precession Astrology

Precession is the movement of the stars in relation to the ecliptic. They move forward through our tropical zodiac by about 5 minutes every 6 years, so in one lifetime, or 72 years, a star will move one degree forward through the zodiac. This is because the Earth is tilted and moves around this axis every 26,000 years.

Vedic astrologers get around this problem by using the sidereal zodiac, it keeps moving with precession. It’s a patch-up job that tries to resolve the problem by matching the Sun signs to the constellations of the same name. However, this system is still based on the incorrect assumption that these 12 equal divisions reflect the influence of the irregularly shaped constellations. The rules of Vedic astrology are based on this. When the tropical zodiac was developed, zero degrees of Aries matched up with the first star in constellation Aries. Mesarthim, “the First Star in Aries, as at one time nearest the equinoctial point (392 BC)” [Star Names, Their Lore and Meaning, Richard Hinckley Allen, 1889, p.82.]. That star is now at 3 degrees Taurus.

Ptolemy and the Hellenistic astrologers that followed knew about precession but they chose to ignore it.

There was, perhaps, a more pertinent reason why the astrologers of the early Classical period chose to ignore this matter, one that suggests that by covering up this ‘inherent flaw’ of the zodiac, they were also obscuring a philosophical problem that had wider implications…It was tempting indeed to turn a blind eye, to let some other astrologer deal with it in some future generation when it really mattered. [Heavenly Imprints, Deborah Houlding]

It really matters now. Astronomers and skeptics can easily make astrology a laughing stock because of precession and they continually do so.

Johannes Kepler

I use the zodiac at it was originally intended, preferring to use the tropical zodiac to describe the position of the stars and planets. The degrees of the tropical zodiac is a universal way for astrologers to communicate where a planet or star is, that’s all. The interpretation comes from the relationship between the planets – the aspects, and from the influence of the fixed stars. What I’m doing is nothing new.

The great astrologer Johannes Kepler had a solution to this problem – he basically abandoned the zodiac and built his astrological system around the aspects between the planets. He thought that the zodiac itself was merely a human geometry exercise and primarily served to aid the memory of astrologers as they computed aspects in their heads. [The Zodiac: Sidereal Vs. Tropical, Bruce Scofield]

I also correct for precession to work out transits. Robert Hand, one of the most respected astrologers in the world says:

it is possible to treat the tropical zodiac as if it were moving. In other words, one should treat the natal positions of the planets as if they were fixed stars…My own experience has been that in timing an event the corrected positions are more accurate than the uncorrected ones. [Planets in Transit, Robert Hand, 2001, p.29-30.]

Nearly all astrologers continue to use the Sun signs for interpretation but it has to be understood that these interpretations are purely symbolic, not based on our relationship to the cosmos. It is similar in a way to the use of the cards by a Tarot reader, it aids the intuition to help in reading.

Taking the meaning of the signs a step further by using rulerships and detriments, even saying someone is lacking in an element such as fire is fundamentally flawed. Astrology is based on the principle that the stars and planets have an effect on us down here, summed up by the words of Hermes Trismegistus, “As above, so below”. It is the planets moving across the backdrop of the stars which influence our lives, not the planets moving through imagined 30-degree divisions on a piece of paper.

A mistake two thousand years ago took root following the Menai massacre of 61 AD. The Druids, the most feared and revered astrologers of all time, left no writings. It’s all in the mind.

138 thoughts on “Precession of the Equinoxes

  1. This problem has concerned me for a long time. Ever since college days when a friend offered to teach me how to do a chart in the 70’s. A few points if I may, not inorder of importance: I don’t understand the seasonal controversy. If the sun is somewhere in the heavens on the day of your birth, is it not in the same spot relative to the earth no matter where you are? A point drawn out from the center of our planet to the sun at the exact time of your birth is really all that is needed to place the sun somewhere against the back drop of the stars, in some 60 degrees of some sign. The house relationships would account for hemispheric differences just fine since they are relative to the earth not the sky.

    Second: I don’t see why we have not corrected for procession by now with all the other changes in our understanding of astronomy since Ptolemy. Can’t we just do the math on this for our sign placements? I recently did the calculation for the fixed stars in my chart. Thank you Jamie for coming up with an amaizing new tool! Accounting for procession of the planets was a simple matter. Why can’t we have a formula like that to process the signs in our charts for our birth date and time? It’s really tiring to listen to the old arguments for sidereal, tropical, Asian and other formulas.

    Lastly I have a technical question about the ephemeris we use today. Is it accurate? Does it give us the proper placement of the planets? Because if it is off too, I think we really should throw out the baby with the bath water and start all over again with accurate tools.

    On The question of the division of the sky into 12 equal parts and keeping the 12 signs I come down in favor. 12 is a spiritual number and a good way to balance the heavens. While it’s true that actual constellations take up differing amounts of space in the sky, that is just part of their charm and will find expression in reading them. Now that we have a better understanding of fixed stars and we can add that layer over top, there’s no need to rescale the heavens.

    • Well said. The software I use is Solar Fire which has an option to account for precession when doing transit and return charts.

      I also have some sympathy for 12 divisions. Mainly since I heard that the core of Earth, a single Iron crystal the size of the Moon, is a dodecahedron.

    • I think the sessional controversy has to do with what point is considered 0 degrees longitude or the first point of Aries. The seasons are opposite in the Southern Hemisphere so the spring equinox in the north is the beginning of fall in the south. The thing about the tropical system is that it is based on the seasons and has nothing to do with the actual stars. We are measuring the suns position relative to the spring equinox which is also the suns north node.

      I have also done the calculations for my chart with the signs matching the constellations. It got rather complicated. The latitude (distance from the ecliptic) of the planets was the biggest problem I had. I wasn’t able to draw a comprehensive chart.
      After learning about trans neptunian hypotheticals, I realized that the signs were points of interest like the hypotheticals. I did some investigating and found the tropical zodiac used in astronomy in a book from the 1700s. They knew that the constellations weren’t 30 degrees in arc length each by then. The signs were used simply as a Sort of unit of measurement. The sidereal zodiac is the same, only, it is based on the position of a star.

      The Ephemeris on are correct and up to date. NASA has tools they use to track planets and planetary bodies and gets their data from them. I think that Solar Fire is made by so it should also be correct.

      I hope this helps.

      You should check out Synoptical astrology. I haven’t looked too far into it but I know that it uses the zodiac signs and the constellations.

    • Add 0°18’to your planets to get to the yr 2000 fixed star positions.

      When working out your precession corrected transits, add 0°31’to your natal planets.

  2. Jamie, thanks for your reply. That’s interesting about the earth’s core. I found one here:

    I am starting to come around to your way of thinking on the signs, for now. Since the sun and the ascendant represent the ego it’s natural that its effect would encompass a large area, whether or not it falls within the lines. But that won’t work in 2000 years! (Of course an Aquarian would worry about that!) The same kind of thinking goes for the size of each constiillation/sign even though the stars don’t comprise the same areas. It should still be equally divided.

    So, is there a formula for birth chart that accounts for procession while maintaining equal signs?

    • YOU cannot equally divide the sky. Leo is opposite Aquarius in sign but opposite Capricorn in straight line. The pan-handle of Aquarius and the both horns of Capricorn are the same whole 30 degrees. Only the bucket extends past Capricorn. Leo the lion (horse, sheep) was created rising east, but Taurus was created setting west two horns up in the sky. Gemini was also created standing west. Others have two names, the dog is west but stand like a man Anubis in the east.

      It never has been a 30-day system because the animals were created first (Ur 2207bc not 2637bc because 2637bc was fabricated as 1200 years before 1437bc when instead it was only 600 years of 360-day (592 years) back to 2029bc as flight our of Ur in year of Monkey, tagging them as the monkey kings. The scorpion king is the name for Noah in 2040bc when he was 930 and Gilgamesh went from Uruk to Ararat to Kittim Cyprus while Mars was in Scorpio and turned in retrograde opposition. Narmer (Menes who is Narmer the Rod, or Nar the Merod) got the name when Noah died 20 years later.

      Just a guess, but the day and hour is here. Christ Mass is the crossing, precession will change from impact, and the world will choose life or death by whether they obey government martial law and stay home in Sodom.

    • There are two conflicting methods that are a full whole degree of precession from each other in 3000 years. The one of Babylon taken to Mayan is 1508 years of 365-day are 1507 seasonal due to a 12-day drift in going 48 years over 1460 years of 365 leap days. The other is the 400-year Seth cycle of Egypt known to Pope Gregory as 3 days per 400 years and so has the same 12-day drift but in 1600 years. As posted in another reply below, precession is quoted in books with data that conflicts because the algebra and geometry are not checked. This is like putting trig of 3:4:5 triangle into isosceles, too much quoting, and math extending without math-checks in figures. Math checks not as doing 2+3=5 twice to check it, but as in 5-3=2 and 5-2=3 and 3+2=5. No one is doing this in astronomy and this world is crashing rapidly.

      Some ancients took the comet disaster of exodus (England to India with all Asian residents since 1625bc out of Babylon) and took the Hebrew 857 years to 1513bc (137+720 = 720+137) and extended them 720 as in Egypt 3090-1513bc where 1577 Julian (137+720+720 = 720+720+137) = 1600 of 360-day and China (720+720) 2953-1513bc. Israel and Egypt were not the only nations making exodus as if war with God that year. The 1600 is found in Julian with Mayan 3114-1514bc and 360-day 1600 tun as 3114-1537bc (Chinese Xia Yu) to 1437bc who actually ruled 1513-1413bc.

  3. Hello my peoples! I got to this thread through the link in the comments for The Trumpster’s inauguration. Jamie I think your view on houses and signs is interesting and I have always found your insights very enlightening. Your approach to interpretation narrows the influences down to a core and concrete symbolism. I agree that houses, house rulerships and signs add multitudes of layers to interpretation that can become more ambiguous as you go. That said I have found that the equinoxes and solstices to be turning points in the flow of events (and their halfway points: 15 degrees of fixed signs). That Aries starts the new cycle at the 0 degree longitude at Vernal Equinox and continues from there in order has seemed logical regardless of the precessional advancement ( and by all accounts so do some rather gifted and experienced modern astrologers) The 30 degrees of Solar movement per sign is the time period of a lunation cycle so as hands of the clock that “space” appears to be a fit also. The archetypes and symbolism were (we presume?) empirically derived for the stars as well as the planets, signs, houses and aspects. I have personally struggled with what is the strongest and most reliable indicators in our arsenal of possible approaches and obviously you are very satisfied and successful with yours. As always thank you for the food for thought– I always gain something reading your work!

  4. your article is in a misconception error because the 50.26 seconds are not time of minutes and hours as in of 365.25 days or 8766 hours of time but rather 50.26 seconds of arc in a circle of 360 which amounts to time 20min 25 secs (time varies due to monthly and yearly wobble, and anamolistic speed, and tropical year angle to sun in that anamolistic year) and that is why instead you take how many degrees the axis itself has moved which is in seconds minutes degrees not hours and days.

    another quote… about Hipparchus sidereal as 365d 6h 10m but that would be a 37 sec arc not 46 sec arc as shown here

    46 seconds of arc per year
    full 360° circle is 1,296,000 secs of arc ÷ 28,174yrs = 46secs
    1°arc (of 3600secs) = 78.261 years
    Tropical = 365days 5hrs 55min = 365.2465278 d
    46 secs of arc = 18min 40.1242s = 0.0129644 d
    Sidereal = 365days 6hrs 13min 40.1242s = 365.2594922 d

    sidereal 525,973.6688min ÷ 18.6688 min = 28,174 tropical
    tropical 525,955min ÷ 18.6688 min = 28,173 sidereal
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    37 seconds of arc per year
    full 360° circle is 1,296,000 secs of arc ÷ 35,064.6yrs = 37secs
    1°arc (of 3600secs) = 97.4 years
    Tropical = 365days 5hrs 55min = 365.2465278 d
    ( 37 secs of arc = ) 15min = 0.0104166 d
    Sidereal = 365days 6hrs 10min = 365.2569444 d

    sidereal 525,970min ÷ 15 min = 35,064.666 tropical
    tropical 525,955min ÷ 15 min = 35,063.666 sidereal

  5. Astronomers are silly and short-sighted sometimes (maybe THAT’S why they need those huge telescopes, hmm?). Will someone please point out to them that star positions change astronomically along the equator, just as they do along the ecliptic? (By this statement I’m actually speaking of the imaginary longitude lines all the way up to the poles, of course.) In fact, stars fairly regularly hop across constellation borders that DON’T lie along the ecliptic and its zodiac signs. The right ascension figures (and to an extent declination too) of all stars change regularly, and star maps just as regularly become outdated.
    The zodiac is actually more stable in this respect because it’s tied to the (northern hemisphere’s) spring equinox.
    If anything should be changed, it should be the names of the signs – but I can’t see that happening.
    Can you?
    I’m sure someone has already mentioned this in the comments above. I haven’t read all of them yet.
    while I’m on my soapbox, I’d also like to comment on the habit of astronomers (and astrologers, too, probably) of comparing the sizes of constellations by degrees square. A degree at the equator is huge compared with a degree at the poles. In fact, right at the tip of the pole, it shrinks to zero. Don’t these people know how to calculate areas of a sphere?
    And then there’s the matter of Vedic (and some other kinds of) astrology claiming to be “sidereal” (i.e. tied to the stars). they’re actually doing exactly the same things as tropical astrology, except they choose to do it a certain number of degrees further along the ecliptic.

  6. So, how do i know my sign? If someone was born in september 22th at Libreville, Gabon, 9:30 am. Can we say he’s a virgo or a Libra? Please tell me.
    Thank you for that! And sorry for my english cause i’m a french 😉

    • Your question does not make sense. If he was born at a specific time and location, then he’s either a Virgo or Libra, born on the cusp. You can’t have one sign in one location and another birth sign if you move data to another location! It’s like saying, I was born at 23:54 in London on March 28th, but in Paris, it’s 00:54 and March 29th, therefore when was I born? March 28th or 29th? It all depends on time zone and location at time of birth and it’s unique, it doesn’t change.

  7. The Age of Pisces began when?

    At the Birth of JuliuS Caesar? 100years before the Birth of JesuS Christ?Remarkable coincidence.

    The Age of Aquarius, the beginning date I use, January 12, 1996.

    There was a remarkable comet streaking Perihelion the Sun January 12, 2007, 11 years after theNewAge chart, but not much if anything, is mentioned about this …

    Our Legionnaires of Authoritarian astrologers. Silent


    Asleep at the switch.

    Aquarius NewAge Chart, January 12, 1996. 8:34am UTC, equal houses

    Ascendant 0Aqr
    Uranus 0Aqr

    Mercury Retrograde, Venus and Mars in Aquarius

    Moon in Libra (Libra rules the 7th House)


      The radio program is over 6 years old now, and the link provides a transcript, plus a second part to the story. One of the most popular on SOTT.

      Independent of the SOTT researchers, evidence has appeared, articulated by a recent commentator, that the story of Julius Caesar was instrumental in preparing the New Testaments and bench-marking the beginning of the the Age of Pisces.


      At the time of the Setting of the Age of Aquarius chart, ref January 12, 1996, followed by the setting of the Regulus Ingress Virgo chart, ref November 29, 2011 in Spatial relationship to Cosmogenesis Solar Eclipse at the coming Summer Solstice 2020….

      … the North Magnetic pole and the Prime Meridian aligned.

      This furthers the Cosmogenesis trilogy charts Rectification: As the Greenwich datum is Internationally recognized: Zero declination and Zero longitude.

      “At some point in September, the agonic will meet zero longitude at Greenwich,” says Ciaran Beggan, a geomagnetism scientist with the BGS. “This marks the first time since the observatory’s creation that the geographic and geomagnetic coordinate systems have coincided at this location”

      September 17, 2019 by Paul Wilkes, The Conversation

      “an alignment after 360 years at the home of the Prime Meridian is undoubtedly a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence.”

  8. So as confusing as this is I am going to ask a straight up question. If I was born natally at 3° Gemini does this push my sun sign all the way back to 3° Cancer? I hope not, bc my rising natally is in Cancer and my EP is on this 3° Cancer position, and as per Sabian Symbol goes, it is a very hard degree and people would view that for me as well. Ugh! I’m trying to base it off of what you said about aries at 0° going to Taurus at 3°. So I guess actually it would make it 6° degrees for me then. Is this correct? Please and thank you. I am also still waiting to get some information about my natal yod. Gracias! It seems simiar to Hitlers as well as I have Venus conjunct Mars natally at a 0° orb. I didn’t realize the World saw him so beautiful. By todays standards i would sucker punch him as well as shave that disgusting worm over his upper lip. Taly ho, mate! 😉

  9. The exact degree difference between sidereal and tropical sun sign positions depends on your date of birth but is probably close to 24 degrees. This would put your sun at around 9 degrees in cancer. Your rising would move too and would be at around 9 degrees Leo. All other points and planets in your chart would also move.

    What information are you waiting on concerning your yod?

    If Hitler wasn’t so charismatic and well liked, he wouldn’t have been able to do the things he did. You may have the same energies, it’s how you use them that matters.

    Keep in mind that sidereal astrology is as correct as tropical. Zodiac signs are named after the zodiac constellations but are not aligned with them and never were. They are two separate things.
    Use the system that works best for you. If you feel like a Gemini, use the tropical system. Some astrologers don’t use signs at all.

  10. Discouragement with the zodiac, sidereal, tropical, heliocentric, etc, indicates we’ve entered a period of cosmogenesis.

    The Generative Womb, has been articulated by Laviolette (1997) where the Sequence of the Signs are re-arrange to prepare us for Morphological change:

    2. Aries
    3. Pisces
    4. Gemini
    5. Cancer
    6. Leo

    Emergence of Physical Form:

    7. Scorpio
    8. Sagittarius
    9. Capricorn
    10. Libra
    11. Virgo
    12. Aquarius

    Note the last two. We have spatial New Age charts for these signs. The preparation into new physical form is well underway. It appears to me that we have the new software running in place, on one of its last test programs. A critical stellium this winter, is yet to occur, from which the sequencing becomes more clear.

    • Cosmogenesis Sequence, Initial Stage, Processes in the Energy Field/Ether, the Generative Womb*

      a) Datum 21 June 2020, 8:41am, Cairo, Egypt.
      b) Cosmogenesis order, Zero Point, Summer Solstice, Sun/Moon eclipse,
      c) arcing semi-sextile to MidHeaven, 14Tau00, triggering the sequence start
      d) (Equal Tropical Houses)
      e) Elapsed time calculated from the two Spatial New Charts, rectified to 33 years summation, and further rectified to comets McNaught2007, Ison,Gault,CIBoriso, ratio 0.35
      f) x-y Male-Female, Left-Right, Looking down from MC.

      1.1 Taurus, Uranus 9Tau29 (9th House) Y chromosome
      1.2 Taurus, Asteroid Tunguska 7Tau53 (9th House) Y chromosome
      1.3 Taurus, Capulus and Algol (9th house) X chromosome
      1.4 Taurus, Sedna 28 Tau12 (10th house), X chromosome

      2.1 Aries, Eris 24Ari29 (9th House)
      2.2 Aries, Lilith 16Ari21 (8th House)
      2.3 Aries, Chiron 9Ari15 (8th House)
      2.4 X chromosome

      3.1 Pisces, Mars 25Pis49 (8th House)
      3.2 Pisces, Neptune 20Pis58 (8th House)
      3.3 Pisces, Ceres 12Pis07 (7th House)
      3.4 X chromosome

      4.1 Gemini, Venus Rx 5Gem39 (10 house), Y chromosome

      5.1 Cancer, Mercury Rx 14Can25 (11 house) Y chromosome

      6.1 Leo, Ascendant 18Leo15, Pars Fortuna 18Leo15, Y chromosome

      Ref, Laviolette
      Ref, Gerald/astrologyking

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        f) x-y Female-Male
        More on this in further posts. ref Ilya Prigogine, Brusselator.

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        c) semi-square, midpoint, to the MC and Ascendent, triggering the sequence start at the MC

    • Emergence of Physical Form:

      “The second six signs in the sequence follow the growth of this seed energy fluctuation as it develops into a sub atomic particle.” Ref. Laviolette

      7.1 the Scorpio, Imum Coeli IC 14Sco00

      “The revolution to overthrow the ether’s uniform state has begun”

      8.1 Sagittarius, Galactic Centre 27Sag08 (5th House)
      8.2 Sagittarius, Vertex 23Sag59 (5th House)
      8.3 X chromosome

      “The growing fluctuation of the two ether complements, X and Y, has begun to disrupt the ether’s uniform distribution At This Site (emphasis mine)”

      9.1 Capricorn, Pallas Athena 26Cap51 (6th House)
      9.2 Capricorn, Jupiter 25Cap07 (6th house)
      9.3 Capricorn, Pluto 24Cap19 (6th House)
      9.4 X chromosome

      “The energy fluctuations grows exponentially as the the concentration of the one ether complement increases at the expense of the other.”

      10.1 Libra, Arcturus/Spica (3rd House), Y chromosome

      “Because the ether complements X and Y are produced by two mutually interlinked reaction processes, the increase in abundance of the one complement being limited by the decrease in abundance of its partner. So, as the initial discrepancy spreads radially outward, the balance begins to swing the other way, allowing the other partner to have the upper hand.”

      11.1 Virgo, Deep Space Galaxy Cluster (2nd House), Y chromosome

      “X/Y energy potential wave pattern is refined and made Regular (emphasis mine) in its nurturing ether is womb; it develops into a mature subatomic particle of precise wavelength.

      12.1 Aquarius, Saturn 00Aqr40 (6th House), X chromosome.

      “The process of matter creation repeats through the interplay of form-generating and form-stabilizing processes; evolution proceeds, and materialized particles are disseminated through space.”

    • Tarot Major Arcana 0 -10 and Cosmogenesis

      “Creation science concepts are presented in the major arcana” ref Laviollete

      The starting Point with the 3rd chart of the new age trilogy, the Summer Solstice/Solar Eclipse, 21 June 2020, 8:41am Cairo, Egypt:

      0 the Fool, Sun/Moon 0 point Summer Solstice.
      1 the Magician, Taurus
      2 the Priestess, Aries
      3 the Empress, Pisces
      4 the Emperor, Gemini
      5 the Pope, Cancer
      6 the Lover, Leo

      7 the Chariot, Scorpio
      8 Justice, Sagittarius
      9 the Hermit, Capricorn
      10, the Wheel of Fortune, Libra
      ——- Virgo
      ——- Aquarius

      Note, This is not the LaViolette sequence, which shares signs and sequence to give zodiac homes to 0 to 10 in the arcana.

      The Absence of arcana to the last two signs is an adjustment, reflecting the impact of the two spatial new age charts, Virgo and Aquarius.

    • Asteroids of Cosmogenesis:

      Picasso 4221

      January 12, 1996, Aquarius
      MC 1Sag46
      IC 1Gem46
      Picasso 16Leo35

      November 29, 2011, Virgo
      MC 1Gem08
      IC 1Sag08
      Picasso 6Tau38

      June 21, 2020, 0 Point
      ASC 18Leo15
      MC 14Tau00
      IC 14Sco00
      Picasso 1Gem45

      Note Picasso 4221 in all three charts. How he paints, at the time of Cosmogenesis, especially on the Gravity axis. And how he picks up his tools and paint on the Ascendant.

      • “Meta-games* are rarely played in their pure form. The Art Game ideally is directed toward the expression of an inner awareness loosely defined as beauty. The awareness is purely subjective. One man’s beauty can be another man’s horror. The beautiful of one age can seem ugly to another. But bad players of the art game have no inner awareness at all. They are technically proficient and imitate those who have awareness, conforming to the fashion whatever that fashion may be. The whole Art Game, as played today, is heavily tainted with commercialism, the greed of the collector pervades it like a bad smell. It is further complicated by the tendency to show off that afflicts almost all contemporary artists, whether they be painters, sculptors, writers or composers. As all traditional concepts of the beautiful have been abandoned, anything goes, just so long as it is new and startling. This makes it almost impossible to tell whether a given work of art corresponds to some inner awareness of the artist or merely shows that he was trying to be clever.”

        Ref. Robert S De Ropp(1968)

        *Meta games hierarchy:
        -Master game, awakening
        -Religion game, salvation
        -Science game, knowledge
        -Art game, beauty

        • There is a photo art visual of the Cosmogenesis model posted on the Canadian dating site
          Location: Cowichan,
          Identity: Mosture69

          Ref. Art Basel
          Maurizio Cattelan

  11. When does the Age of Aquarius begin?

    Posted by Bruce McClure and Deborah Byrd in HUMAN WORLD | January 9, 2019

    Astronomers and astrologers may agree that the Age of Aquarius starts when the vernal equinox point moves out of constellation Pisces and into Aquarius. But when will that be? There’s no definitive answer.

    A commentator named Jason posts a chart a few days ago of the February 4, 1962 chart with the October 28, 2019 New Moon transits. And he thinks he sees something.

  12. This is stupid. There’s a reason ancient astrologers opted to ignore this, Astrology was made on a premise that planets of our system orbit planet Earth. This premise cannot be changed. And with time people chose to ignore this fact because its the only system that astrology knows. This too should also be ignored. Just like mercury retrograde only looks like that, we know it does not actually move backwards…

  13. Astronomers and astrophysicists are not going to explain everything, I’m getting tired of their God like complex.
    Traditional astronomers laid the ground work for them and did not interfere with or trash talk astrology because they had better things to do, they did not have taxpayer funded technology doing all the work leaving them idle.
    Idle modern day astronomers should stop sticking their noses in astrology and focus on the fact that they are out of touch and without astrology very few would care what they are on about.
    Some Americans have already questioned NASA’s relevance to their daily lives and asked why should they continue to finance its expensive missions.
    We are not really interested in Pluto being a dwarf planet, we want to know what Pluto is about and how his energy affects us, based on the observations made from a group of people who have Pluto placements and aspects.
    Psychology works on the same premise.
    Astronomers tell us the sun is so many million light years away from earth.
    Who cares about that? What matters to people is what father sun does for and to us. It gives us light, it keeps us warm during the day, its the best sanitiser, its good for our mental health, over exposure is not good for the skin, etc.
    Medical scientists did a better job of defining the relationship between living organisms and the sun. That’s just one example of someone else succeeding where astronomers have failed. IF modern day astronomers and astrophysicists think they have answers for everything.
    Astrology works for me and no astronomer or astrophysicist is going to tell me otherwise.
    They make mockery of astrology saying its not science, well, it doesn’t have to fit their narrow definition of science to work for me.
    At some stage psychology was not regarded as science because it did not fit the narrow definition.
    Astrology should have evolved and have been formalised, the major problem is that every jack and jill can create a website and claim to be an astrologer and post a lot of unsubstantiated junk based on their personal experiences.
    You are not going to dispute observations and cases documented by consulting astrologers. If you are going to do that you may as well dispute those made by psychologists.
    Psychologists worked hard to make psychology what it i today, astrologers should do the same.
    Astrology is growing, if astronomers don’t like that that’s their problem to solve not with formulas that make no sense.
    Lastly, precession is noted but our sun signs will stay, its not just about the location of the planets, sun, moon and fixed stars. It’s also about the archetypes. If you are going to shoot down the archetypes you may as well shoot down a lot that psychologists have documented.
    the difference bet
    Today we have Biblical astrology, Medical astrology, psychologists are embracing astrology and there’s nothing astronomers can do to stop that.

  14. They are impressed, and Mother is dancing, we move up several notches. Our galaxy shines very bright right now.

  15. Hi, Jaime: i just posted a comment on your natal aspects page (Sun square Uranus aspect) and then discovered THIS page, which was what I was really seeking.

    ‘Precessional’ astrology was the term I sought.
    I converted from Tropical about 10 years ago after reading Vasilis Kanatas’ excellent book ‘Astrology of the 13 signs of the Zodiac’.

    He is a physics/mathematician/science guy. He makes the mistake of simply re-assigning the traditional definitions of the signs to the sign following: ie. The meanings given to Tropical Aries are now the meanings of the Precessional Pisces.

    No. That isn’t on. Being Uranian I threw that baby out with the bathwater and attempted to unravel the cat hairball I faced. I spent months trying to redefine the entire horoscope. Eventually threw it all out, except the aspects and the four angles.

    I have discarded house meanings as well.

    Aspects, angles and locations relative to those angles is about it for me. It is working out very nicely when I interpret charts.

    Leos and Scorpios are indignant though, losing their ‘specialness’ to their way of thinking.

    I am so glad to have stumbled onto your site.


  16. Good bye, old man, age of Pisces. just over ten hours now, and the light goes out. That new Aquarius blur, ready to hit the streets running…

    Old man, look at my life, Im a lot like you were, (taking a kneel)

    “Carl Jung struggled to determine an exact date and he assumed the length of a Platonic month as 2,143 years, but he could not determine which star to use to begin the calculations.”

    note 40,

  17. From Jamie’s Neowise:

    “Comet NEOWISE Perihelion – The comet made its closest approach to the Sun (perihelion) on July 3, 2020, at 16:21 UT. [3] This places the comet at 29°54′ Gemini…. comet NEOWISE predictions can be interpreted from its perihelion position …”

    is this comet not beautiful? May God bless all souls, brave people.

  18. See it in your soul… look at the photos, and read the striae.
    Neowise is an exit comet, unlike Hale Bopp, which was an entrance comet.

  19. Gerald, that’s a very intriguing comment: “Neowise is an exit comet…”
    Could you explain what you mean by this, to a person who knows nothing about Cosmogenesis?

  20. It will cost three pieces of Kentucky Fried Chicken, and four Rice Crispy Squares, I’m starving.

  21. Ok great.
    For the KFC, dial 3 # 173 * on your phone. Keep open mouth close to the phone, chew and swallow as the items are delivered.
    For the Rice Crispy Squares, dial 4 # * 839 etc.
    Works on Android and iPhone.
    Anxiously awaiting your reply…

  22. Thanks, and one more item. Some banana bread. Measure the loaf, calculate phi, and pass over the lesser amount. Namasté

  23. “The filmmakers decided to reference the Art Basel Miami Beach banana “Comedian” in the cover imagery for the documentary—originally conceived by conceptual artist Maurizio Cattelan’s art installation of affixing a banana to the wall of the show with duct-tape and sold it for US$120,000. By taking and then manipulating a digital image of the banana itself, the directors performed their own work of conceptual art which they call “Stole”. Their goal was to let the art live beyond the end of the event, and to give the iconic banana image a new life in the official cover of Art Backstage. ”

    thank you, you’re a beautiful audience Ladies and Gentlemen, thank you very, very much
    Elvis Presley, What ‘d I Say, August 22, 1969, Las Vegas

  24. “a star will move one degree forward through the zodiac… because the Earth is tilted and moves around this axis every 26,000 years” — an accurate description but hardly comprehensible to the lay person. Neither is this, but at least I’ll try:

    The Earth spins like a top and, as a top does, it wobbles. Over short timeframes — say a few centuries, the earth’s axis seems to point in the same direction. However, over one 26,000 year wobble cycle the earth’s axis points toward different stretches of the sky. Today, the axis through the north pole points nearly constantly toward Polaris. Over 26,000 years, the Earth’s wobble changes our orientation such that Polaris isn’t always the North Star. Likewise, the Sun no longer is in Gemini in June, as it was 2000 years ago. Congratulations, you’re now an Aries.

  25. “In December of 2020, we are in for the beginning of a new age, [as] Saturn and Jupiter will be aligning in the sign of Aquarius”

    ‘the Age of Aquarius for decades now… many astrologers believe that the monumental “great conjunction” talking place on December 21, 2020 is the cosmic event that’s officially heralding it in’

  26. The Age of Aquarius, January 12, 1996, on December 21,2020
    Progressed Moon 05°Vir00″ 05′

    This left me scratching my head: 5 degrees, 5 seconds?

    There is the trinity and now add a fourth for the ‘official’ beginning of the New Age on December 21.

    Where is the fifth date?

    November 2, 2020. The heliocentric Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, “Skip the Breeding”

    Remember Biden’s Aug 2 Speech? quote: “Leading by the power of our example,
    Not by the example of our power”


    Heliocentric Jupiter- Saturn 01Aqr50
    Geocentric Jupiter- Saturn 00Aqr30

    How many times does 30 go into 150?

  27. ‘How many times does 30 go into 150?
    5 x IF the units are the same, but they are not. Seconds and minutes run to 60 not 100, obviously, we all know this.

    BUT these mistakes happen often, NASA with Mars probes, AND the CDC with Covid death predictions are two examples where we see unit math errors.

    No IFs ANDs or BUTs, we deal with oppositions, conjunctions and squares practically every day.

    A better Proof of the trinity, if you want equal units, is to look at the Progressed Age of Aquarius:
    Moon 05Vir00”05’
    Hygiea 02Pis59”59’

    5 public (Moon) chart bananas
    Minus 3 trinity organic (Hygiea) bananas
    Equals 2 Artist Proofs; heliocentric and geocentric Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions, Nov 2/20 and Dec 21/20, respectfully.

  28. Hi Jamie, this was well done… Outstanding overview, thanks… I shared it on my fb page… I like the bit on Kepler… I was looking for where the seasonal marker is for Age of Aquarius on this Precessional Roundabout… Didn’t find anything.. . Spring Equinox still in Aries… I know the stars have mostly moved at least halfway out of their zodiac sectors… Just haven’t seen what is the scientific base for Age of Aquarius… I’d rather not be like a Christian prophet always missing the mark of Jesus’ coming!

  29. Pantheon, 9:00 am, EST. February 12, 2021:

    Trinity (arc)
    1. Aquarius, Age of, January 12, 1996
    2. Regulus Ingress Virgo Mother, November 29, 2011
    3. Cosmogenesis, June 21, 2020

    Proofs (Juputer-Saturn)
    4. Heliocentric, November 2, 2020. 1:49:45 pm EST.
    5. Geocentric, December 21, 2020. 5:40:30 pm EST

    Henge Proclamation (Epiphany)
    6. Venus Zero Point, January 8, 2021

    7. Soup Can New Moon, February 11, 2021

  30. The declination of the Sun is what defines the tropical zodiac from my view. Therefore, the tropical zodiac is a way to “keep it local” and focus on our solar system. Yes, the signs don’t match their previous placements due to precession, but the tropical zodiac is just a system concerned with the effects of the local solar system. Yes, aspects are way overlooked, and fixed stars probably matter, but to write off all tropical signs as fictitious seems like an absurd “throwing the baby out with the bathwater” position.

  31. Jamie, I confess that I did not read carefully through the thread for a possible answer to my question, so apologies if you’ve answered this already. Is there not an astrology current/system that already uses a methodology that aligns the constellations to their actual current positions? I distinctly remember a friend providing me with a chart in which my sun was not in Aries but Pisces, almost 30 degrees from what I’m accustomed to seeing.

  32. Cosmogenesis Comets deserve a place in the Pantheon, further to this thread.

    Neowise C/2020 F3 has its own astrologyking article and is mentioned here. Perihelion MercuryRx sextile Uranus. A 24 year offset to Comet Hale Bopp and Hyakutake. Goalposting the beginning of Aquarius and the end of Pisces. Special thankyou to lawyers Kneel, Jung and Carlson.

    C/2021 A1 Leonard, early 2002 perihelion ‘periwinkle’ burned bright and burned out, true to its MercuryRx sextile Neptune.

    Angel C2022 E3, is mostly taken up at Corona Borealis, February 5, 2023 New Moon and Lunar Occultation of Mars, December 2021. At Perihelion on January 12, 2023, MercuryRx sextile NNode, to give meaning and purpose.

  33. My involvement with astrology changed when I stopped making predictions. I realized that signs and planets do not make choices – people do. I also understand that at every moment there is a choice point, and it is our decisions that alter our lives. I value astrology for how it helps me understand a person, yet, I have no intention of fixing them. The intent I have is to validate their life as a means of healing. I look for better ways of understanding how the difficult aspects can be seen for the strength they offer. Some tough aspects are made for the harder jobs, like a Mars square for blowing out the deadwood and getting rid of old baggage.

    I see the 12 houses as a conceptual division of the zodiac, and the 12 signs as a practical division based on the movement of the earth. It’s like a wheel within a wheel, as the conceptual houses are numbered in a counterclockwise direction while the signs follow the sun’s movement. The numbering of houses serves to bring in numerology for contrast in meaning that can be added.

    The precession of the equinoxes tells a longer story, and it coincides with the new energy that has been prophesized by indigenous people around the world for thousands of years. Humanity is growing up and becoming more consciously aware. However, human consciousness is not growing as I expected in a linear fashion, it is growing in a multidimensional fashion.

    These ancient cultures saw the wobble and tracked the 26,000-year cycle. I got curious and when I searched for changes in humanity at the beginning of the last precession when the sun and the centre of our galaxy were in alignment, it occurred in the upper paleolithic era in the time of cavemen. It seems that cave art and music were new human expressions at this time.

    A work in progress: my thoughts on astrology at


    Gilgamesh, central mythological character at the precessionary Taurus -> Aries

    asteroid 1812 Gilgamesh, conjunct natal progressed Moon and Moon transit. July 16, 2023

    Mundane transits,
    True NNode 00Tau18
    Moon 09Can25
    Gilgamesh 08Tau55

    thoughts: media stories resurrecting Trade negotiater Lighthizers use of term “War of 1812”, to describe trade battles like old wars, or an asteroid to consider? Also odd timing of old crime coming to night light “Gilgo Beach”.

  35. Dual M solar flares. Two flares, unusual and spectacular. July 18, 00:45 UT

    Jupiter, 00Tau39, a placement of recent precessionary and geocentric True North Node interest. The planet of luck nodding its head at dual Aquarius and Aries epics. The spice of life working well together at malefic dignity New Moon.

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