Taliban Horoscope

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In June 2010 the Taliban have inflicted the heaviest monthly death toll on the allies so for in the war in Afghanistan. “June 7, 2010, marked the 104th month of US military engagement in Afghanistan, making it the longest war in the history of the United States” [wiki].

This week president Obama gave his political rival, General David Petraeus control over military operations in Afghanistan. I am going to look at the chart of the Taliban to see why they are such a thorn in the side of America, and compare their chart to that of the USA.

Taliban Horoscope

The data for the chart comes from Astro Databank. Rising the is military fixed star Regulus: Great honor and wealth, but violence and trouble, sickness, fevers, acute disease, benefits seldom last, favor of the great, victory over enemies and scandal.” On the Midheaven is the Sword Hand of Persues, Capulus, just next to Algol “If culminating: Murder, sudden death, beheading, prone to murder and mischief”

Taliban Horoscope

Taliban Horoscope

Most importantly for this crucial year of the war, the Taliban Sun is on Zaniah “An attribute of Zaniah can be seen in the Mercury-Venus-in-Libra talent for negotiating peace. One attribute which a good commander must surely need is an intuition for knowing to call a halt to battle and either offer or seek terms for peace. If well aspected and on the right planet, Mercury, Venus, Sun, or Jupiter for example this is what will show up in the horoscope. With Mars or Saturn the terms for peace may be too harsh for acceptance”.

This year, transiting Pluto is squaring the Taliban Sun. The June 2010 Lunar Eclipse also squared the Taliban Sun. This year transiting Saturn is on the Taliban Sun, which is opposite Natal Saturn. This year is crunch time, the Afghanistan government want to deal with the Taliban, and the USA want out. With those harsh aspects, and having Sun opposite Saturn, I’m not sure the Taliban will want to negotiate unless they are given a power-sharing deal. It will depend on how badly the USA want to end this war, and if she is willing to face another humiliation like Vietnam.

19 thoughts on “Taliban Horoscope

  1. “The Taliban in Afghanistan have told the BBC that there is no question of their entering into any kind of negotiations with Nato forces. It comes after US commanders and the British army chief of staff, Gen David Richards, suggested that it might be useful to talk to the Taliban.” BBC

  2. Hi Jamie,

    Very interesting the data on the Taliban and your reading of the fixed stars in the chart.

    I had predicted some difficulty for the USA this summer, including:

    As Ketu is placed in the 12th house of foreign matters it is likely that SOME SUDDEN FOREIGN SITUATION WILL DEVELOPE THAT WILL DISTURB THE COMMUNAL HARMONY, POSSIBLY A MILITARY CONFLICT OR RELATED EVENT. A contentious racial or ethnic issue could also explode on the scene. AS THE YEAR OPENS, THE US IS ENGAGED IN A BATTLE WITH THE TALIBAN IN AFGHANISTAN, managing the situation in Iraq and concerned about Al-Queda terrorist training camps in Jemen. Nuclear ambitions of Iran are burning a long fuse in Washington, but with Israel especially concerned. SUCH TROUBLE SPOTS COULD FLARE UP IN THE SUMMER or new ones emerge.
    cosmologer.blogspot.com/2009/12/predictions-for-usa-in-2010.html

    If it’s not an imposition, I’d be interested what you see in the SAMVA USA chart with respect to the fixed stars.

    The SAMVA USA chart
    SAMVA USA chart is a mundane astrology horoscope for the United States of America. The chart is based on the event when Maryland became the 13th and final state to approve the ratification of the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union at 5:00 PM on February 2, 1781 in Annapolis, Maryland. In doing so, the USA effectively came into being as a Perpetual Union. The horoscope was rectified as having 20° Cancer rising (sidereal) using the Systems’ Approach to Vedic Astrology. As Philadelphia (75W10, 39N57) was the capital of the union being formed, this city should be used as the location for the rectified chart with a time of 16:58:33.

  3. The Taliban event chart is interesting with this potent T and Mars conj Lilith both aspecting Jupiter and nodes – and Neptune trine MC

    The Taliban have this invisibility factor built in to their ops – its hard to pin them down – now they’re here, now there, now where – US are dealing with a force that uses its knowledge of the terrain and its cloaking, infiltration, undercover qualities and hidden, random explosive devices to great effect – the war in Afghanistan is far from clean and clear-cut – and even if there is a crunch this year, either way, does anyone really think this will mean the demise of the Taliban?

    So, bearing this in mind, and given this is an event and not a natal chart, I followed a hunch….

    The event chart has Sun opp Saturn with Jupiter T’d to both – noticed Pluto, not exactly on IC, but in aspect to Uranus and Saturn – following hunch I checked to see when Pluto hits Tal event Jupiter – its 13th Dec 2012 – on this date there is a new Moon which falls directly on Sibly Asc

    This may be an out there extrapolation but my hunch is that the crunch, if not the Taliban down-fall, then the US ascendency over this conflict, or perhaps its fall-out, will be sealed round this time

    Is there a natal chart we can use for the Taliban???

  4. …but, then you never know….negotiation? With event chart Mercury conj Sibly Lilith Neptune……not yet, not yet…..

  5. Sorry to hog – but just realised Astrodatabank IS calling this event chart the birth date of the Taliban – can that be right??

  6. Rob, that Taliban chart is for when they gained control of Afghanistan to form a government. Even though they were forced from government by the USA, it is really the only option we have for a horoscope.

  7. Rob and Thor, Thanks for that feedback. I’m not very focussed at the moment so will respond properly later. It does seem that no matter what technique, chart, style of astrology is being used, astrologers are all seeing the same thing here. The timing does seem to revolve around August when the Saturn-Uranus-Pluto T-square is in tightest orb.

  8. @Jamie
    Sure Jamie, no rush – all in good time. Most important is to enjoy life – and what better time for that than the summer season!

    The beauty of effective astrology methods is to be able to see in advance when strains are likely to emerge and not to get swept up in the events or the associated emotion. That said, in addition to effective methods, authentic natal charts are really important. The two together explain not only the historical trends and significant events of a country, but yield accurate predictions of future trends and events as well!

    As you and Marina are in the UK and Australia, the following information may be of interest. The following (standard) UK chart has yielded good results with SA methods.
    cosmologer.blogspot.com/2009/01/horoscope-of-united-kingdom.html

    For Australia the event when the constitution came into force at midnight (00.00) on January 1, 1901 in Melbournethe, giving a 15° Virgo (sidereal) rising chart, appears to be a good candidate.

  9. @Jamie

    seems the likely canditate for natal – was just wondering as their first military action resulted in the taking of Kandahar over 3-5 Nov 1994

    but, hey, enjoy the SUN……

  10. Thor, regrads the Australian chart, this has been debated on Noel Tyl’s forum extensively. I’m quoting from Alice McDermott: “The Swearing -In Chart, the most useful for anything to do with government and international politics, is mapped for when Australia became a Commonwealth on 1st January 1901. The timing is when the Governor General, Prime Minister and Members of Parliament took their Oath of Office in Sydney, New South Wales. The time of 1.35.42 pm has been recorded on film and slightly rectified by Gwen Stoney (deceased), who was one of the most respected research astrologers in Australia.” noeltyl.com/discussion/index.php?PHPSESSID=dbe80a2ae8e98dd38e3b29b2aa4b3cbb&topic=737.0

    I use the recorded time of 1:35 pm and found it excellent when looking at transits from major events, Gallipoli landing, Darwin bombing, One Tree nuclear test and the Whitlam sacking.

    I haven’t had a chance to check out this SAMVA USA chart you have used. It does seem that the Sibly is the most widely used by noted astrologers, eg Greene, Blaschke and Hand. I have looked into it and think it works very well. The big advantage of the Sibley (apart from my thinking it is the best one) is that most astrologers do use it so we can be on the same page when discussing astrology of the USA. Do check out the mundane astrology on Noel Tyl’s Forum. There is a lively debate there at the moment about various USA charts, and it is the very best forum for mundane astrology.

  11. Rob, rainy day in London so I thought I should get back to posting so I don’t get too rusty 🙂

    I haven’t looked into the first military action of the Taliban. I guess the advantage of the chart we have is that we have a documented time, and it does represent when they gained total control. It is like a national horoscope, like any other in that way. If the Taliban ever ruled Afghanistan again, we would have a new chart for them. It is a good example of keeping an open mind when deciding which chart to use for a nation or any group or company even.

    I treat mundane astrology the same as natal astrology, so I want to know which event represents most the “birth”. It varies depending on the situation, but usually there is one specific event which defines the nation or group. All those conjunctions in the synastry between the USA Sibly and the Taliban charts confirmed it for me, plus looking at the chart itself with the fixed star descriptions and the aspects just makes so much sense.

  12. @Jamie
    Thanks Jamie, for the heads up on the Noel Tyl mundane astrology forum. Astro.com also has a popular astrology forum. I read Tyl’s books many, many years ago and liked them. I have no strong view on the Australia chart, as my efforts on it are still exploratory. I’ll check out the event suggested by you. As for the USA chart, I discovered the SAMVA USA chart after a decade long search and found the event it is based on with the assistance of historical scholar John T.W.B. in end 2006. Since then, I have been researching it and discussing on SAMVA discussion list and presenting the key findings on my blog. With regard to your statement that plurality makes right, I would only mention that if the financial collapse taught us anything about groupthink it is that it can create legitimacy for herd behavior based on wrong assumptions. In my humble oppinion, the same is likely true of any chart involving the Declaration of Independece (DOI), including the Sibly chart. The fact is that the states and colonies that were united to declare their independence did so as independent entities not as a single entity. It is my contention that this entity, the USA, came formally into being with 13th and final ratification of the Articles of Confederation and Perpetual Union. [wiki – Perpetual Union]
    The many accurate predictions against this chart are the measuring rod for its worth – and of any chart for that matter. All the best.

  13. @Jamie

    Thanks Jamie for the clarification

    I’m in London at the mo too and well, we had weather today! South of the river mind….

    Can you recommend good resouces (‘part from your goodselves) for getting into the fixed stars

    My ancestors (both branches of the family) were navigators, ocean goers and travellers, stargazers for direction…..feels right to reclaim

  14. @rob
    The best information on the fixed stars and constellations is online and free. Anne Wright has put all the best information in one place at Constellations of Words. All the mythology, etymology and interpretations for stars, constellations and lunar mansions from various cultures. I find the best place to start there is with the named stars in constellationsofwords.com/stars/Stars_in_longitude_order.htm

  15. “The last time Saturn and Pluto both aspected the USA Midheaven (Pluto conjunct, Saturn square) was in 1973-74 when the USA extricated itself from Vietnam, and the Watergate scandal claimed Nixon.”

    The Watergate scandal last time, now the WikiLeaks Afghan War Diary.

  16. In a daring raid on May 1st 2011 a group of special service agents killed Bin Laden. Does anyone know the time?

  17. “7:01 p.m.: Mr. Obama told that it was a “high probability” that Bin Laden had been killed.” New York Times

    Pakistan is 9 hours ahead of Washington.

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