Betelgeuse Star – α Orion

Betelgeuse Star
Betelgeuse is a super-giant red star in constellation Orion, labelled alpha Orion even though it is the second brightest star in Orion star behind Rigel. Constellation Orion is drawn as a hunting man, and Betelgeuse sits on his right shoulder. Betelgeuse is one of the largest stars known, and is rapidly shrinking in size at an increasing rate. Betelgeuse is 15% smaller than it was fifteen years ago [1].

This has lead to predictions that Betelgeuse will explode into a supernova in the next few years. Astronomers say it will turn into a supernova at some stage but cannot say when, but when it does it will be as bright as the full Moon [2]. The astronomers also say it will wont hurt us, but as an astrologer I say that losing such a major fixed star will definitely have an effect on us.

Betelgeuse Star Astrology

α Orion

Zodiac
Orb
Mag
RA
Dec

Betelgeuse

28  45
2°40′
0.58
05h 55m 10.29s
+07° 24′ 25.3″

General – In the year 2000, Betelgeuse was at 28gem45. Stars precess forward through the zodiac at 5 minutes every 6 years, which is one degree every 72 years. The constellation Orion gives “a strong and dignified nature, self-confidence, inconstancy, arrogance, violence, impiety, prosperity in trade and particularly by voyages or abroad, but danger of treachery and poison” [3]. The fixed star Betelgeuse “gives martial honor, preferment and wealth” [3]. “great fortune, martial honors and ‘kingly’ attributes” [4]. I use an orb or influence for Betelgeuse of 70 minutes.

Ascendant conjunct Betelgeuse – “a superior athlete, being endowed with outstanding agility and speed of body. Variable moods and the mind always anxious with the immediate problems of the day…Honors and titles will be given the native during his lifetime” [4]. “preferment, luck, success and everlasting fame are promised”[5]. Susan Boyle (03′), Scottish singer who shot to fame on Britain’s Got Talent. John Townley (07′), US musician and published astrologer with an interest in the military, founding the Confederate Naval Historical Society. Ally Sheedy (18′), US actress and author. Umberto II (26′), the last King of Italy, educated to a military career. Alan Villiers (52′), Australian author, commander of the Royal Naval Reserve during World War II.

Midheaven conjunct Betelgeuse – “preferment, luck, success and everlasting fame are promised”[5]. “Great military fortune, command, invention, ingenuity and helps in the perfection of arts and sciences. If at the same time with Sun, Moon or Jupiter, ample fortune and great honor” [3]. Will Young (12′), UK singer-songwriter and actor, shot to fame 2002 after winning the worlds first “TV Idol”. Walter Koch (19′), German astrologer and founder of the Koch house system, spent WWII in Dachau concentration camp. Raymond Merriman (19′), US astrologer and a leader in financial astrology. David Copperfield (35′), US illusionist, the richest magician in history. Silvio Berlusconi (40′), Italian Prime Minister and very successful entrepreneur.

Sun conjunct Betelgeuse – “Interest in and ability for occult and mystical subjects, acute diseases, fevers, honor and preferment ending in final ruin” [3]. Paula Abdul (08′), US pop singer and TV star gaining great fame on American Idol. Anne Murray (08′) Canadian singer. Xanana Gusmão (20′), former militant, the first President, then Prime Minister of East Timor. Brian Wilson (32′), US musician famous as leader of The Beach Boys. Jay Rockefeller IV (32′), US politician and great-grandson of oil tycoon John D. Rockefeller. Errol Flynn (46′), Australian swashbuckling actor.

Moon conjunct Betelgeuse – “Active mind, strong will, turbulent, rebellious under restraint, military success but suffering through quarrels with superiors, likelihood of great power, honor and wealth” [3]. Barbara Hand Clow (03′), US astrologer and author of Chiron: rainbow bridge between the inner and outer planets. Anna Freud (16′), Austrian psychologist, founder of psychoanalytic child psychology. Spike Milligan (29′), Irish comedian famous from The Goon Show. Doris Day (36′), US film star. Tom Jones (40′), Welsh singer famous for his powerful voice.

Mercury conjunct Betelgeuse – “Serious, studious, scientific and literary, fame through writings or engravings in metal, favorable for health but liable to accidents” [3]. Christopher Lee (07′), English actor and musician, famed for playing Count Dracula. William Wyler (18′), a early leading US movie director, producer, and screenwriter. Martin Boyd (22′) Australian WWI veteran and leading artist. Kylie Minogue (30′), Australian pop singer, songwriter, and actress. Sandra Bernhard (32′) US comedian, singer, actress and author. John Hinckley (52′) US assassin who tried to kill Ronald Reagan.

Venus conjunct Betelgeuse – “Somewhat retiring and reserved, great ability as a maker of fine ornaments, favorable for gain, some sorrow connected with the family or marriage” [3]. Rick Castro (03′), US photographer, movie director and stylis, specialising in bondage and sado-masochistic sex. Casey Donovan (12′), Australian singer, youngest winner of the Australian Idol series. Larry Christiansen (38′), US chess Grandmaster. Dean Martin (42′), US singer, film star and comedian. Ernie Dingo (43′), Indigenous Australian actor and television presenter.

Mars conjunct Betelgeuse – “Cautious, reserved, good leader and organizer, honor and preferment in martial matters” [3]. Coco Chanel (00′), influential French fashion designer. Franklin D. Roosevelt (06′), former US president during the great depression and WWII, the only US president to be elected for more than two terms. Henry Kissinger (07′), controversial US political scientist and diplomat, served as National Security Advisor and Secretary of State. James Joyce (09′), Irish novelist and poet. Ian Anderson (24′), British rocker from Jethro Tull. Sean Connery (29′), Scottish actor and producer famed as James Bond.

Jupiter conjunct Betelgeuse – “Serious and studious mind, shrewd and profitable business dealings, great honor in the Church or law” [3]. Charlie Sheen (11′), US actor famous for Platoon and Wall Street. Dane Rudhyar (29′), French author, composer and astrologer, the pioneer of modern trans-personal astrology.

Saturn conjunct Betelgeuse – “Shrewd, cunning, craftily dishonest, treacherous to friends, eventful life with many ups and downs, eventual wealth but little comfort, unfavorable for domestic matters”[3]. Billy Tipton (38′), US jazz musician and bandleader. Billie Holiday (45′), US jazz singer and songwriter. Sigmund Freud (48′), Austrian neurologist, founder of psychoanalytic psychiatry.

Uranus conjunct Betelgeuse – “Quick, active and evil mind, clever criminal, notorious as forger or counterfeiter but rarely caught, quiet pleasant manner, generous and not bad at heart, possesses hypnotic and thought-reading powers.” [3]. Donna Summer (01′), US disco diva. David Cochrane (10′), US astrologer. Steven Forrest (12′), US astrologer. Billy Joel (13′), US musician and composer, the Piano Man. Yusuf Islam (14′), commonly known as Cat Stevens, British musician and famous convert to Islam. Richard Simmons (15′), US fitness guru.

Neptune conjunct Betelgeuse – “Ingenious, mechanical ability, may invent mechanical device, spiritualistic interests, some physical ailment or affliction or mental derangement, not good for gain but greatest success in partnership, favorable for marriage and children but disharmony with brothers and sisters, liable to some serious or fatal accident in middle age” [3]. Emperor Hirohito (11′), Japanese Emperor through WWII. Reinhold Ebertin (13′), German physician and astrologer. Rosamond Lehmann (22′), British novelist. Clark Gable (24′), US movie star legend. Lord Louis Mountbatten (37′) British Admiral of the Fleet, assassinated by the IRA.

Part of Fortune conjunct Betelgeuse – Helmut Kohl (17′), former German Chancellor, architect of the German reunification. Alicia Silverstone (25′), US actress, author, and model. Ann-Margret Olsson (42′), Swedish actress.

Betelgeuse Star in Mundane Astrology

Because Betelgeuse is a red star, so has been associated with war and carnage. Anne Wright at Constellations of Words has looked at some events in history which seems to support this ancient association. In August 1914 when Saturn was on Betelguese, Germany declared war on Russia (06′), and Britain declared war on Germany (25′), starting WWI. After going retrograde, then turning direct again, Saturn was on Betelgeuse in April 1915 for the allied landing at Gallipoli (18′).

One Saturn cycle later, in June 1944, the invasion of Normandy marked a major turning point in WWII. Saturn was on Betelgeuse (10′). I’ve taken Anne’s research further to look at the most recent Saturn, Pluto, and lunations on Betelgeuse.

The last time Saturn was on Betelgeuse was in 2003. A civil was started in the African nation of Côte d’Ivoire which killed over 1,800 people (08’). In Indonesia, a Bali nitenclub bombing killed 202 people (18′). The US Congress authorized president George W. Bush to use military force in Iraq (12′). The resulting Iraq War has killed over 200,000 people, half of them civilians.

The last time Pluto was on Betelgeuse was in 1911. The Mexican Revolution started, lasting 35 years and killing over 2 million people (01′). Japan annexed Korea, starting 35 years of Japanese rule (11′). The Agadir Crisis began with the arrival of the German warship Panther in Morocco, escalating pre-WWI tensions (12′).

The last time the Sun and Moon were conjunct on Betelgeuse was the New Moon on 23 June 1993 (05′). Six days later the USA destroyed the Iraqi Intelligence Service headquarters in Baghdad with 24 cruise missiles, killing 8 civilians

The last time the Moon was on Betelgeuse while opposite the Sun was the Lunar Eclipse on 21 December 1991 (25′), the same day the USSR ceased to exist. Two weeks later Bosnian Serbs declared their own republic, leading the the Bosnian War three months later which killed nearly 100,000 people.

Australia – Neptune conjunct Betelgeuse (08′).
Egypt – Sun conjunct Betelgeuse (43′).
Japan – Moon conjunct Betelgeuse (13′).
Iraq – Venus conjunct Betelguese (51′).
Taiwan – Pluto conjunct Betelgeuse (15′).

References
1. e! Science News, 9 June 2010.
2. Discover Magazine, 1 June 2010.
3. Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson, 1923, p.147-148.
4. Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.45.
5. Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.37.

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38 Responses

  1. rob says:

    Hi Jamie – “The 21 December 2010 Lunar Eclipse is conjunct Betelgeuse by 35?.” – well that made me sit up and take notice! The chart for this looks awesome and just a little spooky – I haven’t done a thorough trawl of national charts but there is a lot of activity around the Iran MC and this eclipse is very close

    if the Sabians are anything to go by for 30 Gem “The SHOW is over. Now comes the hour of decision.” and 30 Sag “PERSONALIZED WORSHIP. It can be a blessing or in some cases, a curse.” we could expect someone big to come acropa – the “flag bearer” (Sun in Sag) could be eclipsed by the divided people (Moon in Gemini)

    you’ve put together a really great resource here – thanks!

    • Jamie says:

      Thanks Rob, I intentionally wrote this blog now because Marina is working on the December eclipse one. I still may tidy it up a bit, maybe add some more interpretation. I like having the famous people in there to see how Robson’s interpretations play out.

  2. rob says:

    or even the other way round (derr)….and then we’d get a show of strength from the leadership, a clamp down?

  3. Dan says:

    I agree with Rob – you’ve done a very good job here. It must have taken quite a bit of time to do this kind of research!
    Something I hope you can clarify Jamie:
    You said: “I use an orb or influence for Betelgeuse of 70 minutes”.
    You may have wanted to say something else rather than minutes?

    A personal observation regarding this fixed star – I seem to recall that the JU/UR conj of September had made an exact square to this star (?) – if
    Betelgeuse is conjucta personal dispositor, in this case Mercury on 29GE15, and although the orbis is a little wide – would such a square to ME conj Bel. be enought to cause an abrupt end of a relationship?
    And would you take into an account such a square at all, or only a conjuction?

    Second question: I read in your above research that Betelgeuse conj Mercury is rather favourable as an influence. Is the 1964 position of Bet. to wide to be considered important for ME which is on 29GE15?

    If yes – would this be the reason for the opposite effect on an individual (save the ‘accidents’ bit)?

    Thanks in advance.
    Dan

    • Jamie says:

      OK, is the minutes thing confusing because of time?Technically i think it should read 70 arc minutes = 1 degree, 10 minutes.

      Yes, Jupiter Uranus conjunction was at 29 Pisces square Betelgeuse.

      1964, Betelgeuse was 28gem15, exactly one degree from your Mercury, so that is still a conjunction because this is a major fixed star. With the Jupiter Uranus conjunction squaring your Mercury, this sudden relationship breakup could have been due to communication difficulties, sudden changes in your thinking on the relationship, arguements, impulsive decisions.

      • Dan says:

        Thanks for this Jamie… yes, the clarification on ‘minutes’ helped. I was getting confused.

        Its not mine Mercury (I was born 1967). Its my ex partner’s Mercury.
        Mercury is extremely important to his chart, but odly – he could not talk and had major issues with communication when I comes to emotions and deep personal stuff. His saying was ‘I’m not talking… I’m just not saying anything’… otherwise, he could talk for England.
        What I find bizare, is the indication of this major fixed star on Mercury (as per your research above), turning its self on its head.
        I attribute this to the weak 29th degree of ME in his chart.
        What is interesting and quite staggering is that we finished the night the conjuction JU/UR occured and squared his ME/VE + Betelguese in Gemini.
        It was most interesting for me to observe the influence of JU/UR happen. I always thought I’d win lottery when it happens! After all, maybe I have ( but not in money!) &;-)

  4. AlterEgoTrip says:

    with my ASC at 27.55 degrees Gemini.. its approximately 25′… still awaiting that promised success I think I have good strong shoulders though.. but I recall that when I have read about Betelgeuse was “Fame possible AFTER death”. (dealing with the Orion mythology) however I like this interpretation much better ;)

    • Marina says:

      Bugger… I hope that doesn’t mean my Betelgeuse Part of Fortune comes after death also. I don’t want to be like Van Gogh!

      • AlterEgoTrip says:

        Jamie’s evidence of people who didn’t die before they were known is a good solid list, I am going to have to trust that one!

        And you, No cutting off your ear and sending postage due to Australia! ;)

    • Jamie says:

      The fame after death I think might be if Betelgeuse is setting (conjunct Descendant). Noonan wrote “Honors and titles will be given the native during his lifetime if the star is rising at birth. If setting, these honors and titles will not come until after death.”

      I decided to draw the line somewhere and not search for people with this star setting, though maybe I should look into it.

      • AlterEgoTrip says:

        Would the placement of the star above or below the horizon also have some kind of difference of effect as well in theory to its placement conjunct the ASC?

        I mean, for me it would be minutes above the horizon (ASC) rising just after Mercury (and BML) but if it were UNDER the horizon (but rising)and still conjunct the ASC would this possibly create a difference?

        • Jamie says:

          This is a good question. I have read somewhere that there is a difference in the effect of a fixed star depending wether the planet or point is applying or seperating.

          There is a difference here between planets and points. A planet before a star is applying, but the AC before a star (in degrees longitude) is separating. Planets move counter-clockwise throught your chart, the AC and MC “move” clockwise

          This theory I have heard says that the full effect of the star won’t be manifested in the applying stage, it’s more of a potential kind of effect. The full effect manifests once the planet has passed the star.

          So in your case, Betelgeuse had already risen, so according to this theory, you would be more eaily able to manifest the full influence of the star.

          I’m not sure if I agree or not with this theory, though it’s pretty well established that in mundane astrology, effects of planetary conjunctions are more noticable during the applying phase. We saw this with the first two conjunctions of Jupiter and Uranus that were apllying in conjunction to Scheat. A greater number and intensity of severe storms and flooding during the applying phase.

          • AlterEgoTrip says:

            Thank you for your reply to that..

            I was considering the powerful sectors of the 12th house.. then I was thinking maybe the “applying” conjunction from the ASC would be more relevant to the physical effect of 1st house..

            Then I realized.. damn.. if the star was at 28.18′ and my ASC is at 27.55′ -its still approaching, in my case (I got things backwards!) however with my husband’s ASC at 28.35′ Gemini which is past 28.16′, it means that he has MORE access to these qualities.. and I can see it, his build and his combative nature ;) it seems to express itself very easily.. but still, he has no desire for fame…as of lately, although he, like I used to be in a band.. studied art briefly.. but then went in a completely different and frighteningly “professionally” grown up type of job.

            Still.. I was going to use his music in some of my animations.. eventually, when he lets me. (Our son wants to be his publishing agent ;)) (Our son has Psyche at 27.57 Gemini..)

            Thanks again.. there is always hope.. if not me, then those other two who I share my living space with ;)

  5. Jamie says:

    Mr and Mrs Betelgeuse :)

  6. Serern says:

    How do you find this fixed star in your chart?

  7. Miro says:

    Lovely explanation about the Orion Star

    But what means when you have Black Moon Lilith on Betelgeuse ?

    • Jamie says:

      Well this will add strength to your Lilith energy. I’m guessing that any ability for the occult would be strengthened, and perhaps have an aggressive side. Lilith is a dark, mysterious influence, witchy, and Betelgeuse is strong and fortunate.

      Just did a chart search, others with Lilith on Betelgeuse:
      Poet Guillaume Apollinaire (03′)
      Astrologer Zane Stein (13′)
      Author John Fox, Jr. (21′)

      • Miro says:

        Thought so , but this is not me
        I’m Venus on Betelgeuse ( my ruler cause I’m Taurus Sun on MC ) , but my karmic contact is Jupiter/Lilith on Betelgeuse (well know misstress hidden in the shadow of Jupiter , let say the great honor with hidden secret force of sexuality and occult ) .

        Thanks Jamie , this is very unique match.
        Very powerful Orion Star .

  8. Jamie says:

    I just went out to look at the stars and Betelgeuse seems to have changed appearance since the last time I noticed it. Flashing very brilliant red at the moment where usually it is more of an orange color. Anyone else noticed a change?

    • AlterEgoTrip says:

      Yes! Over here in the north, we’ve been watching, even with a telescope out an open window the other week–

      It looks like long rays are flying off of it.. like an aura, really interesting.. but it looked orange that day..

      With the naked eye on Sunday, while my son was climbing on a hill of snow, we looked up and saw the star pulsing with a bright red which changed between that and orange-tinted white… really pretty and gemy.

      P.S. Mr Betelgeuse also got to see this star in the telescope.

  9. rob says:

    Jamie – with Egypt Sun so close to Betelgeuse and progressed Sun conjunct prog Pluto I decided to check the current fluctuations you are seeing in Betelgeuse – too much cloud cover last night – seen close to the horizon will change spectrum of star and magnify it, but, seen over a few nights any inconsistancies will show – but, the most extra-ordinary thing!…..at the exact moment I started to write this there was a crash outside my window!! Two police cars (one unmarked) formed a pincer on a stolen car and this hit a tree and the wall opposite my house!!! The energy is intense and electric – time to space clear….but, bloody hell!!!

    • Jamie says:

      Crazy! This energy from Betelgeuse is amazing, really getting a feel for it now, Uranus about to square Betelgeuse, exact February 20. I had a look tonight and it seems back to normal. Will look again at the same time I did last night though. Fascinated by the effect from the lunar eclipse on Egypt (natal Sun) and Australia (natal Neptune). Even on Marina (natal Part of Fortune), hoping to ride on her coat-tails of success at the moment. She is making some great leaps in spiritual understanding through astrology. I worked out her conception chart as a birthday present which can be a mind blowing experience.

      • rob says:

        It is indeed – but, just clocked this on the beeb – uncanny or, perhaps not…

        bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12292852

        asking public in UK to look at Orion!

        • Marina says:

          Oh My god!! I saw Betelgeuse for the first time in my back garden just now. Since star gazing in Australia and knowing where everything was Southern Hemisphere it really moved me to see it twinkly red and from my London view point. Felt very emotional!
          But lord the light pollution in London compared to when I first looked up at the skies in the countryside in Sicily, pitch black, no lights, just stars, I even saw some shooting ones, I nearly fainted.

          • rob says:

            Yeh – went up to the common earlier – only place with open space and no lights, but, still the light pours upwards – Betelgeuse looks same as ever – Jupiter so bright tho – you’ve gotta feel the stars too and wonder – does us good to get our bearings – your Sicilian skies, good memories…

  10. AlterEgoTrip says:

    I’ll be lucky in April when going to Jämtland in the mountains, we have no light but the sky itself and you can see every detail of the night sky, and things that don’t make any sense at all, but sadly, we may have to get up really early if we want to see Betelgeuse then… being that its going to be closer to Sunrise at that point.

    • Jamie says:

      I have heard that the cold air is good for viewing stars, plus no air pollution up there I imagine, sounds great.

  11. Jamie says:

    He’s a speeded up animation of the surface activity, with an eerie soundtrack.

    youtube.com/embed/_LXI9VijaYQ

    • Jamie says:

      Perhaps the brilliant red I saw and the aura or long rays you saw AlterEgo of the flares in that animation, like our solar flares.

      • AlterEgoTrip says:

        I believe that the aura substance that seemed to be literally flying off the star is like what happens on our sun.. and when we look at the sun, even if its covered by partial eclipse we mostly see the corona, in fact normally even if its covered 80% you have to look carefully to see anything covering it at all.

        I figure that its the majority of light which comes off of any stars but with Betelgeuse its really wild..and considering that its a large star, its corona must certainly expand millions of kilometers out.. and I know I can’t get a view of the star that even resembles that animation, but I have observed that the corona is acting very erratic..

        Maybe if I get the correct kind of filter, and the right magnification, I may be able to see the star itself, but I don’t think my son’s telescope is powerful enough.

        It is powerful enough to see craters on the Moon though and we are having a great time when we have clear sky but its been rare so far. :)

    • m v anand says:

      there is no way why we fear about this Betelgeuse. It is atleast ly from us.secondly not all the matter from Betelgeuse travel at speed of light
      finally even if we accept the fact then we still have a lot of time > years to run

  12. Mullenite says:

    The star Betelgeuse, which is 600 light-years away, will already have exploded – and we’ll soon be in for a spectacular, and perfectly safe, interstellar fireworks show. If it is going to go Super Nova, well, it already has…somewhere around 1411. We just can’t see it yet. Funny how that works, huh One thing about the Super Nova. It will rise in the sky at midnight on Sept 22, 2011. It will light up the Eastern sky as if it were dawn. And at dawn we are going to see 2 suns in the sky.

  13. Becki says:

    So Betelgeuse will soon be at the Cancer Aries Point??

    Betelgeuse is on my IC then 29* 36′ Gemini. Good. Maybe it can sprinkle some of it’s fairy dust magic there!
    Hmmm…Betelgeuse on Desc tends to have more influence after the native has passed. Maybe on the IC the energy will manifest in similar way??? Oh well…it still sounds like a pretty positive influence on this axis?! Actually, didn’t Martin Luther King have Betelgeuse on the IC?

  14. Oscar says:

    My moon is in 27.02 Gemini n i was born in july5,1986. So is my moon.conjuct to betleguese??? :(

  15. e123 says:

    Hello Oscar, conjunction between a fixed star and a planet must be very closed, a very thight orb, a distance of seconds between the star and that planet for you can be able to feel/see the influence of the planet in a chart. So you your Moon is not conjunct Betelgeuse, sorry if this disapoints you.
    My Venus is instead conjunct Betelgeuse because is located on the precised orb of the star, at 28,58 Gemini, so you can see the difference of seconds between them, and i can even say i don’t have a conjunction because Venus has no great impact on my chart as a hole, it affects in a somewhat matter the domain of the house in that is located.

  16. e123 says:

    As living the conjunction with Venus in my 6th house i can say descriptions of Robson are quite a good guide in discovering the potent facts in your life. For example, my last employer was retiring and reserved with a great ability for making fine ornaments and was favorable for gains but had a sorrow with familiy and marriage, never got married and stood all life long living with his origin family, sharing the same house, thow had one of his own, never lived alone. Now i have quite a similar situation at work instead is my own family’s affair, so the sorrow is in my family and connected with the marriage and separation. Shitty and whitty, what can i say….

  17. isis8star says:

    Lupe Velez, (Old Hollywood star who committed suicide or so they say), was said to have been born under a tragic star… I had a look at her chart and what stood out was Scheat cj DC and Betelgeuse cj MC…. The latter explains where her artistic talent came from (compounded with her 10th house stellium) … Very informative post o fixed stas – many thanks!

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