James Holmes
James Holmes massacred at least 12 people in the Batman Cinema Shooting of 20 July 2012. NBC has reported that he was born on 13 December 1987. We have no time or place of birth at the moment but can see some dark themes in his chart, particularly Sun conjunct Saturn and Mars conjunct Pluto. People with Sun conjunct Saturn “often have a difficult childhood as Saturn represents restriction, and as both Sun and Saturn can represent the father…shyness, depression or being too critical of the self and others.”
The social isolation which can result from Sun conjunct Saturn is intensified because both are on the fixed star Ras Alhague. This star in general is associated with “mental depravity” and with the Sun has made him a “suspicious” and “solitary”, and Saturn with this star has increases his unpopularity. Transiting Pluto passed through his Sagittarius stellium from age 14 to 20, more darkness during those critical years for developing social skills.
So with this aspect alone on this fixed star we have a social misfit, a loner, and will will no doubt eventually hear his lawyer say he suffers depression at least or some other mental illness. Darker influence comes from Saturn in the sting of the Scorpio. The fixed star Lesath gives “danger, desperation, immorality and malevolence.” James Holmes has Mars conjunct Pluto which is also malevolent and gives strong desire to control others. It is interesting to note that the chart for the shooting has Mars square Pluto.
Yet another interesting link when comparing the horoscope for James Holmes to that of the Batman Cinema Shooting Horoscope is that James has Venus and Ceres square Jupiter, and in the shooting chart these three are all together. Venus is actually in the same spot as the June 4 lunar eclipse, and directly opposite James’ Mercury. His natal Mercury is on the fixed star Ras Algethi which “corresponds to boldness and a drive to gain power”. This star has much the same influence has his Mars conjunct Pluto.
The Sibly horoscope for the U.S.A. has Ras Algethi rising so it could be said that James Holmes is a personification of the image which the U.S.A. projects to others in this world. Curtis Manwaring commented on this shooting chart on our Facebook Page that “Another attack on gun laws is coming”. I suspect that this shooting will at least spark some public debate on this issue given the conjunction between James’s Mercury and the American Ascendant.
Update August 4 2012
Thanks to Kenneth D. Miller we now have a AA rated birth time for James Holmes: Born 13 December 2012, 9:04 pm, La Jolla, California. Thank you to our Facebook friend Carole Devine for sharing this new information.
Astrology at the speed of light. Thanks for this. Gonna pnder now.
All the violence portrayed in movies came to life that night. When will it stop?!
It won’t. Its human nature.
Last night the Moon was void I would like to know more ?
I assume the shooter was born in San Diego, where his family lives and where he graduated from high school.
I entered 12pm PST for San Diego to see what would show up and it made sense for me.
22 pisces rising, with ruler jupiter in aries in the 1st house. MC is 25 Sag conjunct both saturn on the 9th house side and uranus on the 10th house side. Mercury, sun, saturn, and uranus are all conjunct the MC and square the Ascendant.
Finally all these planets in sag except mercury are square the north node at 28 pisces, and involved in a grand cross with moon at 25 virgo and chiron at 26 gemini.
Mars and pluto are conjunct in the 8th house.
Pisces rising fits because he looks like a shy introverted kind of social pariah plus he surrendered to authorities without a fight, all very piscean.
Great report!
Two things have struck me:
Firstly, the unaspected Neptune. The finer feelings are not sketched in here, to counterbalance what you have already pointed out about the Venus, Mars, etc. I am wondering if the recent Uranus/Pluto square with the new moon might have triggered something to that unhinged Neptune.
Also, I noticed that the North Node is close to the World Point, even though not exact. So, yes, he has the fame, for all the wrong reasons. This placement also reminds me of last year’s Cardinal Cross, with uranus at the world point. His own cross is pretty close, if not entirely cardinal.
I also have a personal feeling that the guy has unresolved problems from early abuse – the sun/saturn/uranus opposing Chiron would echo that.
It’s pretty interesting, as an astrologer from up here in the wastelands of Canada lol, i knew something big would happen with the cardinal t-square happening between the mars opposite uranus being squared by pluto, uranus square pluto is incredibly destructive and mars opposite uranus being an opposition is the sign of open hostility or destruction. Transitting pluto was exactly on the shooter’s neptune and being squared by the mars opposite uranus, this guy who was obviously a priveleged white male of the elite class was probably planning this for months. But somehow because of his class I don’t think people will be personally outraged just morally.
Um, I don’t understand this comment from your ‘wastelands of canada’…..I think people certainly are personally outrage. I just found out about the shooting online, on a forum I happened to check in with…. b/c I don’t own a t.v.
I currently live in San Diego and used to live iN CO.
I’m not really sure what you mean-will people react in a certain way that will give you cause to interpret their reactions as ‘personally outraged vs. morally outraged’?
Also, I do believe statistics show that in terms of ethnicity, whites outnumber other groups for this type of incident. I could be wrong-i’m not googling it for proof at the moment. But your comment does not make sense….
I think, from my experience living in the US, not an outside spectator who seems to enjoy when the US has ‘another negative incident’ [i’m not sure if this is you, or the writer of the blog, or just the millions of others who do seem to feel pleasure at being able to legitimately criticize the US at any opportunity-whatever the justification, I’m just sayin’]….
Anyway, back to my statement: I think it’ a mixture of shock, confusion, grief, anger, sadness-when these incidents occur.
And, gosh, I cannot even remember the shooting a few months ago-I lose track, to be honest-that did bring up the gun control issue, and ppl were calling in from around the world on national public radio shows-so, I’m not sure this will be any more inflammatory regarding said issue, than the last round was.
I also don’t think the opinion that he is upper middle class white elite, necessarily equates with people’s reactions.
But you know what does? The fact that it’s summer and people are on vacation! lol
It’s true-and we all know it-and it’s not just int he US.
Many government will plan political actions or rulings during a time when a large percentage of their populace is otherwise occupied. So, I expect it may not receive as much attention as if it were during the fall or spring.
Although, the fact that it’s tied to a major hollywood premiere, may keep it in the forefront.
Thanks for your response but I have no interest in responding to most of it other than to state that most of the world is aware of the systematic dismantling and destruction of the US and these orchestrated economic collapses by the wealthy billionaires who comprise your elected rulers. Most of your people are slaves and prisoners of the economic elite and when one or two of your men erupt in anger with what has happened to your country it should not be a surprise.
Why do you assume the gunman’s actions were as a result of political angst?
Or alternatively there are lots of people out there who are slaves to nit wit propaganda… slaves to concepts of slavery, elitism and so on…
Isn’t Neptune sextile Mars and PLuto?
Or do you mean the transit Mars?
Hmmm – I would say the orb (4 degrees) is a bit wide for anything other than one of the Lights, for claiming a sextile. That is opinion, of course! Also, we don’t know the angles of his natal chart, so it could well be that Neptune is aspected by one of those.
Given the element of tear-gas (Neptune) he used, his entering this film (Neptune) fantasy (Neptune) as though he were a character, I am more and more convinced that his Neptune element here is key, the more so as Pluto conjuncted it earlier this month, in that square to Uranus.
In the profile on the BBC website, it mentions that the gathering of munitions for the killing itself, plus rigging out his flat with booby-traps was done over a period of 60 days prior to te event, so might well be worth looking at how things were shaping up transit and progression-wise from that period.
If Mars was square Pluto at the time of the shooting, I assume it was simultaneously opposed Uranus. We’re in for a loooong Uranus/Pluto square!
Mars has been square pluto for the last couple weeks but is moving out of orb right now, killers obviously must plan things for weeks before hand, mars was square the killer’s neptune and pluto which is on top of his neptune right now, as mentioned. They said on the news that he was in despair because even as a member of the elite class and finishing his phD, he couldn’t find a job.
The plutocrats/billionaires who have taken over the US government have completely taken over/dismantled the conditions for the working class, all starting with NAFTA (but even going back as far as Reagan when he fired all the airline pilots) where the manufacturing base in the US was completely eliminated. The complete destruction of the US working class has taken about 30 years and the smooth transition of the US economy into a permanent war economy/police state has mostly been completed. Now with this shooting it will be an excuse to try and outlaw guns in the US. Read a book or two and all this stuff will be obvious.
actually, initial reports are saying he was in the process of formally withdrawing from his phd program. He just began this program last year, as he just finished high school in 2006, then 4 yrs of undergrad and a master’s program in CA.
The school went on record as saying that he formally had instituted the process of disenrolling from the program, within the last few days….
gemini/kyron opp sag/uranius, square NN & moon, (virgo), is very wierd for a man in medschool, can see him w/ chemicals that suffocate, or wanting to ‘stop action,’, he stood infront of the audience and shot at them.
I don’t like a sag cluster, bruno hauptmann…. scorpio mars/pluto plots manovers himself into position, the only one armed in a gun-free-zone. good lord he needs to be locked up forever.
Never underestimate the duplicity of the sign Gemini! Look at the image of the two golden haired twins. Between them they carry a lyre and behind their backs a bow and a club!
He also has Venus Squared to Jupiter. He probably found everyday life boring, and tried to buy excitement through gadgets. The Mars Conjunct Pluto can bring an obsession with death. I will be curious to hear about the relationship to his father. His Mercury, Sun, Saturn, Uranus in Sagittarius could have had a Baron Von Munchausen quality at times.That would put the Mars Pluto Conjunction in his solar 12th. Add insanity to the mix, and the baron becomes the joker.
apparently he was on vicodin, so cool through-out, surrendered, warned them of boobytraps, now he’s clamed-up, cap-venus is unloved, people like this don’t feel the pain of others and so don’t see themselves as part of humanity.
umm, you got to make the call sometimes, when no one else does, during an apartment building fire, my sister led her floor to safety, mostly elderly, I called in a very noticably burning sail boat, turned out it was the first call, however the shooter’s pluto/mars is sneeky….there were 4 policemen on site, 3 off duty unarmed, armed forces guys in the same theater…. funny I always get tickets by the front left feel safe there.
Mars PLuto conj in Scorpio opposite Sedna.. brooding resentment, fearless. Let down by father?
Node conj Scheat? opp Moon conj Vertex
Varuna conj Chiron in opp Su saturn conj – a wound righteously adressed without compromise?
PLuto transit of Sag for 13 years then into Capricorn, this has been brewing for ages.
He has Jupiter trine much of his stellium. Hmm…
Just to add, being a loner, doesn’t make you crazy or a murderer. Most of us loners would never do harm to another being.
Aries/Sag
thank-you for mentioning this-i was just thinking about this for my own blog post, earlier tonight, before i found out about the shooting…
I recently saw an article discussing ‘hold outs’ to facebook, and it was disturbing-‘specialists’ were discussing ‘dissenters’ and that every movement has these hold outs, etc.
I signed on for google plus the other day, first time, and did not want to import my address book, and the little window popped up ‘but you might be lonely’.
THIS is a problem, viewing anyone who is ‘quiet, or why’ as a potential threat…..and how insidious it is-the process by which this occurs-a comment in an article, discussion by the media, a comment on a blog here and there….belief systems set in place without even realizing it.
It’s also worth nothing that Holme’s Mars conjunct Pluto is square Dark Moon Lilith.
I just looked through my research for my Lilith book, just quoting relevant titbits. They are not all lone gunmen! But you can see how it adds to the picture.
Mars/Lilith in hard aspect: “Mars/Lilith in hard aspect is triple dynamo and physically tough. They may put them selves through the extremes of emotions, drugs, drama because they want to taste it all, totally insatiable.” Amy Winehouse (20’), Cynthia Payne (22’), Stephen King (& Mean), Joan Collins, Katy Perry, Paul Joseph Goebbels, Albert Einstein,The USA, Mary I of England.
Pluto/Lilith in hard aspect: “Lilith/Pluto’s obsessive, bunny-boiling; stalker side may come up depending on what stars are involved and how they are placed in the chart…..This aspect may go to extremes with their obsessions, tenaciously seeing a project or plan to its bitter, bitter end. This is the plotting aspect, one of stalking it’s prey, cunningly and invisibly. Pluto is well known for being ruthless, and with Lilith it has the added rage of revenge. The word vendetta was invented for these people. Some of them are totally “butter wouldn’t melt”, while betraying an internal vindictive streak.” Mary I of England (01’), Dennis Nilsen (04’), Sid Vicious (16’), Gerry McCann, Eva Braun, Dorothy Parker, Timothy Leary, Bobby Brown, Johnny Cash, Fidel Castro, Franklin D Roosevelt, Edward M Kennedy, David Cameron, Silvio Berlusconi.
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The Moon (mother) /South Node (family history) conjunction square the Sun/Saturn (father/authority figure) conjunction says a lot about his family situation. Add this with a Mars/Pluto duo the man is/was a ticking bomb triggered by a transiting Moon/Mercury square.
I have been watching for the backstory on the parents like a hawk..apparently mother was a psychiatric nurse! Father was flown to Denver right away he is in the software/engineering industry. I feel as much compassion for THESE parents as aLL the others..a seemingly promising education and he goes and wounds the world! Can you imagine how they feel?
Can you imagine how his upbringing must have been with a Sun/Saturn square Moon/SouthNode type of parents? I have an acquaintance who has recurrent clairvoyant dreams – she has a Moon/SN conjunction, her mother was a psychiatric PATIENT, also she has little or no contact with her father.
With a Sun/Saturn aspect Holmes clearly has problems with authorities, feeling that every time he achieves something the goalposts are moved. Maybe he felt he always failed his high standards layed down by his father (or teachers at university), and eventually nothing mattered any more. Thus the dark side of his Mars/Pluto conjunction exploded.
neptune in capricorn is regional, attached to area of birth, venus there too, the move from san diego to denver area must of made him feel out of context, element…it seems he went from good student to failing grades, and wasn’t hired inthe interim, collecting unemploymnent…capricorn, the sat/conq/sag/sun cap connotation, clings to past, family enduring rejection.
historically heptune in capricorn is mass conciousness, social unrising with overtones of nationalism, (who’s the most french, russian ect) and a move towards socialism
I’ve been thinking of this guy and wondering about his chart – thank you for doing this Jamie, and many of the comments have been interesting to read.
I was wondering partly about his chart because of his obvious fascination with gadgets and machines and power – the booby traps, the military gear he was wearing, the gas mask. He is obviously very smart and very methodical.
One of the comments above referenced the other shooting that got a lot of media attention in the US a few months ago – that would be the shooting of Trayvon Martin in Florida. He was carrying skittles and a bottle of tea when he was shot dead by a paranoid man who was known to make repeated 911 calls to authorities about ‘suspicious’ characters in his neighborhood. In Florida and in about 30 other states, people who carry guns have the right, under a “stand your ground” law, to use deadly force even when not on their own private property. Traditionally, coming from English common law, in the US we can defend our private homes with deadly force. The stand your ground law was an expansion and has brought scrutiny to gun laws in the US. Rather than impact the right to possess or carry a weapon, though, the scrutiny will hopefully lead to an appropriate modification of stand your ground. From all we have heard, the man who killed Trayvon, a 17 year old who had no weapon, could not legitimately believe he was in danger of death or serious bodily injury when he confronted Trayvon about being in the neighborhood (Trayvon was cutting through the gated community after visiting a convenience store and walking in the rain back to the home he was visiting with family – he was wearing a hoodie because of the rain which the shooter concluded made him suspicious).
what’s missed about trayvon is he lay in the morgue for 3 days while family desparately searched. he laked ID, just arrived in the neighborhood, staying at his father’s girlfriends appartment, suspended from a different school district. t’s dad’s girlfriend was acquianted w/ a morgue employee who put 2&2 together. So the family was ready to believe there was a cover up, that Zimmerman was buddied up w/ the police. The other detail is trayvon was 6’1or2 rather imposing and athletic, he also had past problems with authority. anyway he was 17 if I was his parent and knew a serious watchman partoled, i’d of introduced them, knowing someone’s name makes a difference.
The wierd thing about their respective charts is that they are compatable! not strange since they came together in battle. Zimmerman libra, martian, aquarius, both w/ sun conjunctions and similarities..they might be friends.
I would surmise these souls had an agreement in this lifetime and Trayvon wanted to be released. I was very moved by the release of Zimmermans police video..where he went through the motions of the encounter in a detail that was so natural and authentic..if that was acting..I was fooled for sure. compelling stuff..how will this trial play out with all the advance media release etc?
I know a lot of people that have this uranus/pluto square sitting on their natal pluto/mars/sun/moon/what have you. Difficult, intense stuff, touching breaking points more than once.
What people choose to do with their transits (and/or natal configurations) will never cease to leave me speechless.
You know, I love astrology, but this seems like a time to ask why our society creates social isolation and emotional anguish for so many of its members. I’d rather see the astrological community look at the rest of the people who knew this young man and depict what it is in their charts that allowed them to stand by idly while he developed so much internal rage due to having unmet needs for connection, acceptance, approval, affection, etc.
hello lee….so many aspects of perception are employed by we humans…of the many astrologers that I have known and know..including myself…I would have to say that the majority of us are students of watching…we watch and listen and learn and remember and are amazed and are adjusting the lens continually , sharing our perceptions towards the continued contribution of our species, as we share this amazing experience we call ”life” …. nothing is written in stone… free will is as present as is predetermination…the wheel is vast…all beings are of the same fabric…this younge man is apart of us, yes…we are a part of him…he has shown us pats of ourselves….I had witten a paper on the need in the collective to come together…and so I wach these events continue to occur and I watch the response from us….almost immediately, we gather in memorial to the victims…we gather…we stand close to oneanother…even with people we have never seen before or spoken to…the ”event” has brought us together…the ”event” involves deathe …generally unnanounced deathe…the deathe that is brought on my others….there are many aspects to our living…..this is what I see many of us participating in…and so I look at the above world while living here on the ground….this is ancient and continuous…this thrall of living…
It is more important to me personally to understand our country’s astrology, or our collective societal astrology, than to understand his individual chart. Why (astrologically) is our society facing a crisis of gun violence in so many ways (ghetto violence, which is not well reported, or mass acts of violence, which are reported)?
Hey Le …rightly so…..if you haven’t already checked out the US country chart, you may find this interesting….as a country we are undergoing a Pluto Return by approach…this means that over the next handful of years the Planet Pluto is returning to the same place in our system that it was when this country was formed as a United States of America….Pluto represents power…all types of power…especially power that directly affects lives between lives…person to person, country to country…we are in the process of witnessing the recreation of our system on all levels…from the monetary to the governance procedures to the incarceration system to the religious manners we carry and support…basically a Pluto return is something that you could research on your own…jeff green is one of the foremost Pluto people in the Astrological world….just use Google and check it out…look at all the articles on ”United States Pluto Return” on Google…but my sense is that your personal aspects are really at play with your evident concerns regarding violence and guns and what you term as ”ghetto violence”and the inequities in regard to such…I do not feel to go any further and start reading you, but I would if I were you look into my own transits and see what is on for oneself personally…you are the one looking out of your eyes at the world, you are the one feeling from your heart, you are the one so to speake , living in your skin…perhaps to familiarize yourself with your system might hold some vital keys to your queries….best regards, Steel
thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. i’m personally invested in the question of how our society separates and isolates and so you are right! and pointing me to my heart is timely advice, too. i’m not a good enough astrologer to look at the charts of nations but i do get the notion of the US having an approaching pluto return and what that means in capricorn, esp vis-a-vis uranus squaring in aries. as ever, the truth is best discerned when viewed from multiple angles using multiple lenses. my best – lee
There are also profound discussions just like this one going on over at Astrodienst in the forum under mundane astrology and political events…and all of this is profound. I made JH solar chart for 12 noon San Diego the minute I heaRD A NEWSCASTER SAY HIS BIRTHDATE OUTLOUD. cAN ALL OF YOU SEE THE “JAWS” VISUAL ANGLE? AS WELL AS THAT LONE CHIRON? wE WILL SEE GREAT WISDOM IN ASTROLOGY BY ANALYZING THESE CHARTS AND FEELING OUR WAY INTO SYNTHESIS SO GOD CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHAT THIS WAS ABOUT., sORRY FOR CAPS! I have faith this was a great creative aspect of our global evolution and by learning about this event we will all come to understand something. Astrology has never failed me in this regard
I apologize for getting a little manic ( :”))oops!
It is interesting to note that the asteroid lucifer is on his natal mercury.
Well it has sparked the gun debate:
“There are an estimated 270 million guns in the hands of civilians in the United States, making Americans the most heavily armed people in the world per capita.” Analysis: Why gun controls are off the agenda in America
If 270M guns in the hands of civilians – then we could ask why there is so little gun crime…
There is a very strong Neptune story here too..[this is all coming in through my own strong natal Cap sun merc 12th house]…”Neuro Science” “Large Institutions” NIH Grant etc “Temporal Illusions” The Movie Industry in general, fantasy vs Reality ( reoccurring them in items coming out about JH) mother in Psych field “mental illness”
This is a Pisces Neptune 12th house story and I am fascinated. Also great and stirring themes of “Forgiveness” coming out of some of these victims as well as their own great faith..all on Tv celluloid etc in front of the nation.
While social isolationism may be visible in this chart, I have been following these comments–no mention of Aspergers yet. But all the signs are there in the media. May I caution those of us who are still neuro-typical in thought just long enough to remind us all that autism Is Not mental illness. It is a different wiring in the brain.
I have not seen correlations between specific aspects in charts, progressions, or transits which indicate conclusively Aspergers or autism in Holmes’ or anyone else’s. I know of no way of astrologically diagnosing these syndromes. And in no way am I implying sympathy for the murderous acts of any individual. But as our understanding takes us to a deeper level of the events in Colorado during this past fateful new moon, I ask, if autism is present, that we continue to learn about neuro-diversity and refrain from associating it with mental illness. Mental illness may be present in this case, as well – but they are two separate diagnoses, and have different root causes.
Neuro-diversity…love that word – who the hell is neuro-typical anyway? I first heard the term when my son was diagnosed borderline Asperger’s, and thought it was horrible, with its implications of deviancy from the ‘norm’.
The thing that stands out for me in Holmes’ chart is the Chiron/Uranus opposition. I’m no expert but wouldn’t that superficially suggest sudden wounding?
Oh crap, my son has that, too, Chiron on A/C, but wider orb being a couple of years younger than Holmes. Obviously it’s a generational aspect, but he has a tendency to get attacked and was bullied at school.
He also stockpiled airguns (Mars on Algol) and I was seriously worried that the suppressed rage (Moon square Pluto, there are some moving accounts of this aspect on Marina’s post) would result in something like this. There but for the grace of God…
It’s true that asperger’s and autism and mental illness are distinct, and also, it’s true that they are often (i hate this term) “co-morbidities” – diagnoses that co-exist in an individual. asperger’s and social anxiety often co-exist. a great website for anyone who wants to learn more is http://www.aspiesforfreedom.com …
I think I’m an Aspie too. My boy was diagnosed and when the doc was going through the signs and symptoms it sounded just like me. I have chatted with other astrologer and Uranus sure keeps coming up as an indicator, different and detached. I have Sun conjunct Uranus, my boy has Sun opposite Uranus. I would not think that Chiron opposite Uranus alone would be enough to cause Holmes top have this syndrome. Even then, my experience is that although Aspergers can lead to social isolation, we are too sensitive and sweet to be capable of what Holmes did, there must be something more clinically serious going on with this guy.
If you are on Facebook, Raymond Scott has a group called Developmental Neurodiversity Association and he is also well into astrology.
I am slowly building a file of charts for people with Aspergers and have chatted on a few astro forums about this with other parents. I Hope to write something about my research at some time in the future.
Here’s another interesting link: The Neanderthal theory
Jamie – thanks for posting that. I nearly fell off the sofa when I saw the picture because it looks exactly like my autistic daughter when she was a child. She didn’t look like me or her father.She was extremely musical, had very few words but liked using hand signals and facial gestures to communicate, was coeliac and did some pretty weird but amazing things as a child.
Like Rachel, I’m not fishing for a reading etc but if you want another date for your data base on Aspergers, autism etc hers is 25.1.74 19.25pm Sheffield UK
Yeah I had the same experience when my son was diagnosed! my boy is gentle and saintly and directs the anger in on himself unfortunately – I’d love to know what makes a person actually carry out an atrocity rather than fantasise about it.
What he has often said though is that he ‘doesn’t feel human’
he has to put a lot of effort into working out what we ordinary mortals think and feel.
Here’s his DOB, PURELY for your research because I think it is really important and the more hard data the better – I am NOT fishing for a reading or any feedback!! 5/3/89 Exeter UK 11.35 am
The thin air must of had something to do with his thinking also.
It is of my opinion that this kid may have had been on some sort of drug for some time putting him into a violent play act fantasy having Transiting Pluto, Uranus, Moon and Mars of the past week’s volatile Grand Cross aspecting his Natal Neptune (Drugs and addictions, Illusion, Fantasy and Imaginings) What you see on TV of this image of him could very well be false. His dazed confused and insane appearance is an act. I am most certain he was influenced for some time by some sort of drug and wonder if he’s been tested for using anti anxiety drugs that can cause psychotic episodes.
Last weeks approaching new moon and Volatile Grand Cross aspecting James Holmes natal Neptune exactly.
Dear Jamie, Marina and friends I think the Sun – Moon square is pivotal in Holmes’ case. As I wrote in a relative article: “The square aspect between the “Luminaries” (Sun and Moon) is considered one of the heaviest aspects in a chart, because it somehow blocks the energies that should be flawing unhindered in the individual and it causes a clash between the conscious and subconsious layers of him/herself! Under this aspect a sort of “rupture” may manifest within the invidual, a rupture between his core personality and his “psyche” (his inner “Universe” of feelings and states of mind)! And this might ultimately breed a profound sense of alienation in him! (Please note: this does not mean that if you have a square aspect between your Sun and Moon you are going to get “alienated” or become a mass murderer. It means instead that you have to work with yourself in order to transform this difficult aspect and convey such an “expenditure” into creative outlets! You might enormously enrich yourself then and perform miracles!)
I also see many similarities between James Holmes’ horoscope and the Norwegian’s Anders Breivik – who in a single raid killed 77 people! They both have a Virgo Moon – and their Moons form a harsh aspect to Saturn – a lot of Uranian energy (Breivik being an Aquarius, Holmes having a Sun – Uranus conjunction) and both of them having a Mars – Pluto contact!
I concur with Marian Tortorella on the fact that the past week’s volatile Grand Cross was heavily focused on Holmes Natal Neptune – triggering some sort of major psychotic episode in him and making him believe HE IS THE JOKER! After all planet Neptune is pivotal in this whole tragedy – as it took place in a movie theater (in a Neptunian “temple” that is)!
Thomas Gazis
That’s a great observation. SUn Square moon is pretty common but it may hinder the individual more than we realise when put in context with everything else. Now I think about it, I’ve noticed two ways of this square playing out. Its often someone caught between warring parents who then becomes stunted in a way or they can be driven by the internal friction.
Virgo moon. Hmm. I used to have an odd little book years ago which listed all the shadow qualities of each sun sign. For Virgo it said, cross a Virgo and you’ll find you’re dealing with a closet axe murderer. It used to make me laugh. Now I see the point!
Hi Marina,
Perhaps a big laugh from all on this one, yet here it goes:
Any chance he was set up? Cast well, even down to his astrology?
I stay clear from media/news other than ENE News and a few other internet sites. This one I have not been following, only it was so tragic that it came my way.
Signed~ V
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Interesting analysis: I tend to agree that you’re onto something with the Virgo moon and the Mars-Pluto contact. I find the combination of an assertive Sun (usually in a fire sign), undermined by the retiring Virgo moon–or vice versa–cropping up in a lot of psychopaths. Last month I did some investigation into Luka Magnotta, the Canadian ‘porn star’ psychopath, who may have had a Virgo moon as well, though the jury is out without a verified birth time. He had a tight Mars-Pluto, in any case, in harsh aspect to his Sun-Mercury, the Mars debilitated in Libra. The Mars-Pluto formed part of a Yod to Chiron on Algol, expressing the darker side of the star all too literally; Magnotta severed the head of his victim and sent it to an elementary school in the post.
I haven’t had a chance to look closely at James Holmes chart, but I know that the night of Luka’s killing transiting Jupiter hit Algol, and Saturn on Spica hit his Mars-Pluto activating the Yod and turning it into a nasty weapon for destruction. Neptune was involved in the Yod as well, perhaps triggering a similar psychotic episode. Neptune’s connection to cinema is worth considering as well: Magnotta staged his killing as an homage to the murder in Basic Instinct and video-taped the whole thing, uploading it to Youtube and garnering a disturbing amounts of ‘views’. The Neptune signature couldn’t have been more obvious in the Batman Cinema shooting, and I wonder if this sort of murder will become more common place with Neptune in Pisces fueling the fantasies of these depraved and alienated people. I pray to God that the US will finally get its act together and ask some pretty hard questions about their love affair with the gun.
Michael Page (the Sikh temple mass murderer) apparently just joined the “Virgo Moon” club! If he was really born on November 11th, 1971 he has a Virgo Moon – in a square aspect to his Saturn! As I explained in my previous post, the other two recent mass murderers James Holmes and Andres Breivik have their Moon in Virgo too and in a harsh aspect to Saturn! All of the three recent mass murderers having the very same Moon configuration that’s quite rare!!
Very interesting. The afflicted Virgo moon bears further investigation, I think, but all of these recent connections are quite uncanny.
Dear “uberqueenofwands” not necessarily the Virgo Moon people are “closet axe murderers”. On the contrary, Virgo is considered a rather “pure” and “angelic” sign (the “young maiden”). The thing is though that the Virgo and the Pisces Moon are two of the less effective Moons in dealing with negativity, hostility, insults etc…Due to their “passive” nature they absorb easily and in large quantities any negativity in their environment and then they cannot easily get rid of it…Thus, these people – if they do not maturily deal with this – they may develop layers of morbidity in their souls…
Hi,
Just wanted to share that i have my moom in exact square to my sun sign in my natal chart. It is VERY difficult to deal with and i have found that it causes problems in my intimate relationships because i am afraid that i cannot fully express myself or that i come off in a way that gives others a different opinion of how i am truly feeling. This is a karmic aspect, yes? Anyhow, i am definitely no where near a “murderer” or anything of that nature, but i do have anger issues that i have had to work through because of this aspect. Sun libra/Moon capricorn.
yes…Having known a few VirgSun squared by inner planets in general…I have found many of these individuals have great anger … which I feel is just a way of clearing your space of ”foreign” energy..I have always directed these individuals to avenues of self monitoring and techniques to qualify their personal space…very capable individuals that can ”pick up”energies around them…remember, Mercury is the ruler of Virgo…. a great planet for budding trance mediums, we all have nervous systems….in some way, the Virgo has a propensity to take on those around them…grounding and any techniques to assist in qualifying what is yours and what is not yours would be a good support avenue….my nodes are in Pisces and Virgo…I am a medium who has tasted what everyone else feels like…I prefer my own flavour….`
What a definition dear “steelmanner”! “Anger is a way of clearing your space of “foreign” energy…”!!! Meaning that the more you are ready to fuse and merge with other people the less anger you carry in you! But since Virgoes are a little bit “aseptic” they don’t easily merge with other people. As you said though they’ve got a Mercurial nature and they easily pick up – always from from a safe distance – new energies…
Hey Thomas….yes, anger is one way that people have used to clear their space…and perhaps it is possible that more social practices could help socialize and assist said person in social navigation….some early teachers I have had, from Ballet Mistresses to Astrological Instructors, their Virgoian ‘aseptic’ manners were very well produced, as were their ability to communicate exactly what they wanted me to ”get”….I feel a good strong emotional colonic could have been a good wrench to throw in the mix with them…but then they wouldn’t have been the characters that they were and are..and as well I and all that I garnered form their angular distant instruction….the Sun Squares to personal planets/moon….I like your engagement Thomas
Steelnammer, you remind me of a client with Moon conj Uranus/PLuto in Virgowho has PIsces Asc and Neptune conj Sun. This person is amazingly psychic and his experiences extent way beyond the odd ghost! I’ve been lucky enough to share some of those pys things while in his presence. Hopefully that’s the only likeness!
However, while the soul is receptive, the agenda of the physical vehicle is obsessed with poisons and invaders which become more than just ideas. He was doing a chemistry degree but screwed it up with his own addictions – then decided it was all the fault of the world… he now lives in a squalid little caravan on basic subsistence money. Despite advice from many, he is overwhelmed by his belief he is surrounded by eveil shadows and people who don’t care. He did have three kids but abandoned them for a career in alcohol for several years.
Virgo at its worst?
It can become very exclusive but often to its detriment.
yes, the dice are sometimes cruel…I danced for many years, so the Neptune went that dirrection, and I was born into a family of mediums and electrical healers, so my aspects were fostered as well supported, even though sometimes the support looked odd from the outside…..we are all our own anomaly in some way…..posting my chart for the view….
Dear Olivia Greece has its Sun in Capricorn and its Moon in Libra (your combination in reverse) so you will probably feel Greece very familiar if you ever visit it. In addition, two major Greek artists had your combination (Sun in Libra and Moon in Capricorn): the actress Melina Mercouri and the exquisite composer Manos Hadjidakis (I invite you to listen – on YouTube – his masterpiece album “The Gioconda’s smile”). So two major figures “fought” with this square and thrived in the end!
Thomas, please notice I said it was a comment from an old book which made me laugh. Not necessarily what is written in stone!
But I have noticed Virgos can be very twisted when crossed!
I know dear “uberqueenofwands” that your inentions are good! Some readers though are very susceptible and we have to take care of them!
Sorry but I don’t do Hallmark astrology!.. or Hallmark anything really… MArs PLuto conj regulus. Someone has to tell it like it is!
Mars /Pluto…..?…with Sun in ?…this shooting event has such power behind it…..I was landing in plane on Sept 11 ….that was by far the strongest event of mass deathe that I have experienced…the shooting in Colorado or the earlier Virginia event…the field that is created touches everyone in it in an accelleration manner…mortality combined with schock….Uranus Square Pluto then the assisting Square from Mars…is this T-Square in your natal Mars/Pluto uberqueenof wands?
I’ve got a stellium – Jupiter, Moon, Venus, Sun, Mars, PLuto from 13 degrees Leo to 26 Leo in the 12th. I have Mercury at 5 Virgo conj my asc at 9 Virgo so I’m well versed with both sides of Virgo!! Saturn makes a T square to my moon and by closeness of the entire stellium, all the other planets too I suppose!
I experience Virgo as very measured (like your dance teacher) a precise communicator etc and I think with the “axe murderer” aspect – well this comes from an over excitable autonomic nervous system. Virgo is finely tuned and sensitive.
In childhood, a Virgo child or Virgo moon child may not be able to cope with punishment, criticism etc against an authority figure like a parent or teacher. A child cannot lash out or run away. So the child may compensate by use of an over active imagination. Remember, Virgo is highly creative as a story teller – its the sign of the writer. So a child unable to lash out may fabricate revenge within its imagination. Which is fine, up to a point. The problem is, that once this mechanism is employed as a coping mechanism, it becomes a habit. Then over timeVirgo’s closet may be full of archaic imprints which get activated by new impetus.
This is certainly the case with the client I mentioned. I understand how this works because as the child of a violent mother I longed for the day when I could retaliate.
Of course I never did! A few years on the analyst’s couch sorted that out! But I can see how this could set up a pattern. Then of course no sign does detail like Virgo, so any fantasy can go into deep detail.
Michael Jackson is great example of Virgoan detail and eccentricity, with an extreme aversion to his own body too. Andrew Cunanan was a Virgoan spree killer who killed amongst others, Gianni Versace.
I loved your statement “we are all our own anomaly’ – how true!
Oh – I forgot to add, my client’s mother was a drug addict who stubbed cigarettes out on her children. So you could see how he might build up a desire for revenge. I think he had a brief career with illegal explosives… His Virgo Moon Uranus PLuto conj are square Mars and Venus in SAgittarius so there was the love of a cause and the Piscean ascendant could invest all the emotion into it. ’nuff said!
I don’t do Hallmark astrology either. But this is a public tribune and we should be careful when “characterizing” zodiacal signs, aspects etc.
WHy?
What is the point of censorship in astrology? How can people learn from that? We are here to learn in life. So we have to be up to life.
It’s not censorship but “social awareness”…
which is PC for censorship. Or not calling a spade a spade.
This thread is about ~james Holmes. A very socially unaware creature.
oye!….looks like this shooter has brought up some stuff….Pluto Square Uranus..,,has many manifestations…Power struggles are definitely on….across the board…even the way people
are translating the ”event” to give it a ”relative” meaning….Oh yes, Mars was the cooker for all of this….Aggressive/Passive-Aggressive….bang bang my babi shot me down….Mars…
I agree with Thomas. Anyone can read these posts and people who do not know a lot about Astrology can take things said lightly on board as about them. I have 3 friends with Mars conj Pluto [conj my Sun] and they are all bossy but fun and kind. My Sun Saturn Pluto conj friend was political activist but not violent.
Once more, thank you to Jamie and Marina for the hospitality they are offering us here!
Birth time for James Holmes: 9:04 pm from Kenneth Miller http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Holmes,_James_Eagan
Then dear Jamie James Holmes has a strong Sagittarius – Leo emphasis in his chart. Well, the first “Sagitturius – Leo emphasis” celebrity that came to my mind is Nero! Apparently they both exhibited similar paranoid / megalomaniac traits. And there is even a certain bust of Nero where he looks very much like James Holmes!
Hi Thomas. I think the stronger influence on his stellium is the main star in constellation Ophiuchus I mentioned rather than the sign Sagittarius. Nero was hardly like this guy though, he was a ruler who never lost a war. His enemies (who did not appreciate paying tax for Nero’s cultural projects) wrote the history which makes you think he was a paranoid megalomaniac.
Also, when comparing charts of people born so far apart in time, we should use precession correction to see the synastry.
Dear Jamie most of the historians describe Nero as a paranoid megalomaniac. It is an historical fact that he killed his own mother. Although an emperor, the man was singing and playing the lyre in public as if he were a common musician – obviously craving for attention and admiration. When he was performing nobody was allowed to leave the theater. He was a theater maniac, as James Holmes is (Holmes “performed” too in a theater…). Precession is taken in consideration anyway when we say that both Nero and Holmes are Sagittariuses with a common Leo emphasis (Nero’s Moon – Holmes’ Ascendant).
Thomas, which historians described Nero as a paranoid megalomaniac? A megalomaniac has delusional fantasies of power, yet Nero became ruler of the greatest empire on earth at age 17. His enemies were plotting against him for years so it was not paranoia which led him to torture and eliminate them.
You are not taking into precession if you still say they are similar because they had planets in the tropical sign of Sagittarius.
Nero’s other rising star with Sun Pluto was Sheliak in constellation Lyre (now tropical 19cap03, then tropical 21sag43) “The child of the Lyre will sing beguiling songs at the banquet, his voice adding mellowness to the wine and holding the night in thrall. Indeed, even when harassed by cares, he will rehearse some secret strain, tuning his voice to a stealthy hum and, left to himself, he will ever burst into song which can charm no ears but his own.” http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Sheliak.html
I expect this was his release when the intense pressure of his fate became too much.
Manilius also wrote of the Lyre rising: “When the constellation of the Lute rises into the mighty heavens, there shall be born a man to investigate wrong-doing and punish the guilty (“and champion the unjustly accused”) he will get to the bottom of crimes by sifting the evidence for them and bring to light all that lies hidden under the silence of deceit. Hence, too, are begotten the merciless torturer, the dispenser of penalties, whoever insists on the truth and abominates evil, and the man whose profound understanding will put an end to disputes.”
(Ficicula was a torture rack used in Rome, similar in shape to the Lyre.)
Dear Jamie I quote below some of the ancient historians who describe Nero as an unbalanced tyrant: Pliny the Older, Tacitus, Epictetus, Fabius Rusticus, Cluvius Rufus. Additionally, paranoia and megalomania do not automatically dissipate in someone simply because he became an emperor. Remember the maxim: “Absolute power corrupts absolutely…”
So you see tropical Sagittarius sign has different fixed stars in it now than 2000 years ago. For James Holmes, his Sun Saturn is on the fixed star Ras Algague (tropical 22 Sag) “misfortune through women, perverted tastes and mental depravity.” http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/RasAlhague.html
Nero’s AC Sun Pluto is on the fixed star Dheneb (tropical 22 Sag) “ability to command, liberality, success in war and beneficence.” http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Dheneb.html
well we now see why he went loo loo trying to fulfill mommy’s (moon) expectations ($)..he really should have been studying sports photography or acting..no wonder the red hair………..Leo roared….here’s where an astrologer could have helped this family..don’tcha think?
Thomas Gazis- thank you for posting that. I never knew that about Greece but would love to visit sometime. I will also check out those artists you mentioned. Do you believe that sun square moon is a karmic aspect?
Dear Olivia everything is “karmic” in our horoscope – under the point of view that our “soul” chose this particular horoscope in order to be incarnated through it and take the specific lessons dictated by it. All the more, they are “karmic” the strong, prominents aspects in our horoscope, like the Sun – Moon square aspect!