M87 – Black Hole Astrology

M87 at 02°04′ Libra has an orb of 1°00′
Black Hole Astrology M87 Virgo A

Virgo Constellation [Stellarium]

The Sun joins M87 on September 25

Messier 87 (M87, Virgo A, Virgo Galaxy) is an 8.6 magnitude supergiant galaxy with several trillion stars in the constellation Virgo. It is one of the local universe’s largest and most massive galaxies. It has a jet of energetic plasma that originates at the core and extends at least 4,900 light-years. It is also one of the brightest radio sources in the sky. M87 has an active supermassive black hole at its core.

20002050NameOrb
27♍1127♍53Zavijava1°40′
28♍5329♍07Markeb2°10′
02♎0402♎24M87, Virgo A1°00′
04♎5005♎32Zaniah1°30′
09♎5610♎38Vindemiatrix2°00′

M87 Astrology

Philip Sedgwick [1] calls M87 the Super Galactic Center. My research on Black Hole astrology confirms his findings that the most significant manifestation is sequential monogamy, or codependency and dysfunctional relationship behavior.

M87 gives intense powers of attraction, charm, sex appeal and commitment. However, the partner feels captured, engulfed and consumed. The native is so needy and demanding of time and energy that the relationship ultimately fails.

Although breaking up is especially devastating for M87 people, it is not long before they find themselves in the next committed relationship. Black Hole astrology gives an obsession with finding the perfect partner. Sometimes, relationships can be replaced by a career or special calling. But the result is the same. No one person or job can make them feel satisfied or fulfilled. They always want more and more.

Thankfully, most people turn to spirituality for answers. There is the realization that some childhood wounds must be healed. Once the energy-sucking, demanding behavior is eliminated, an evolutionary stage of development allows room for a soul mate. Some will also become healers, teachers, agents of enlightenment and promoters of change.

Black Hole Astrology

In The Black Hole Book, Alex Miller [2] says that Black Hole astrology promotes change and transition and can be challenging to work with. Black Holes represent a complete reversal of the status quo. Many manifestations seem negative, but their high drama can often elicit rags-to-riches stories.

Theoretical physics states that Black Holes are doorways to parallel universes, alternate realities, and higher dimensions. Making contact with one in our daily lives can often feel like that. Like we have been uprooted from the everyday reality of the Light World and thrust into an alien environment, an Underworld which, although ominous and threatening, can also be the repository of vast riches and the wealth of knowledge of the subconscious.

Several major themes emerge in Black Hole astrology. These involve changeability, personal magnetism/repulsion, extreme instability/unpredictability, unique perspective, energy absorption, transmutation or depletion, and a greater than the typical impact on one’s environment or peers. There is also the attraction of unparalleled, singular, often bizarre experiences.

Black Hole Astrology M87 Virgo A

M87 Black Hole [Event Horizon Telescope]

M87 Conjunctions

Sun conjunct M87: Magnetic, forceful and attractive. Attract the right people at the right time. Outwardly changeable, capricious, adaptable, chameleon-like. Determined and driven with the ability to shift events in their favor dramatically and unexpectedly. Can affect events and transform the status quo. Difficult to penetrate and know. Deceitful or artful. Ability to remake self completely several times throughout life. Resilient and adaptable, ability to live different lives. Creative and insightful but disruptive, dramatic reversals, and sudden upsets. [2]

Cecil Womack 0°00′, Linda McCartney 0°06′, Carl Coerper 0°28′, Jack Pierson 0°31′, Bruce Springsteen 0°37′, Mark Hamill 0°37′, Mickey Rooney 0°38′, Catherine Zeta-Jones 0°40′, John W. Donaldson 0°43′, Robert Currey 0°45′, Christopher Reeve 0°45′ (and Mercury), Stuart Wilde 0°46′ (and Part of Fortune), Barbara Walters 0°48′, Dmitri Shostakovich 0°52′ (and Mercury), John Coltrane 0°55′ (and Part of Fortune), Colin Friels 1°02′, Michael Temer 1°05′, Michael Douglas 1°06′, Cherrie Moraga 1°08′, Heather Locklear 1°13′ (and Descendant), Jason Alexander 1°22′, Will Smith 1°25′ (and Uranus), Elizabeth I 1°28′, Abdul Al-Biruni 1°30′, F. Scott Fitzgerald 1°42′, Debby Boone 1°44′, H. G. Wells 1°45′, Julio Iglesias 1°46′ (and Mercury and Neptune), Johannes Vehlow 1°52′.

Moon conjunct M87: Frequent moves of residence or changes in living conditions. Much energy and time are spent in the home, draining resources on repairs and redecorations. May own more than one home. Volatile and intense emotions but unlikely to brood. Unstable home life, secrecy and privacy in personal and home life, misdiagnosis, and frequent image changes. The mother may have been unapproachable, vacant or absent, manipulative, domineering and controlling, or smothering and overprotective. Repressed early childhood trauma. The mother may be a drain on energy and resources in later life. [2]

Kim Novak 0°08′, Alden Ehrenreich 0°09′, First atomic reaction 0°18′ (and Neptune), Kenneth Copeland 0°21′, Edward VII 0°24′, Angelica Garnett 0°30′, Billy Jean King 0°31′, Angela Lansbury 0°32′, J. J. Watt 0°39′, George V 0°52′ (and Descendant), Ernst Thalmann 0°57′, Cyril Fagan 1°01′, Shawna Lenee 1°07′, Madeleine McCann 1°14′, Johanna Kinkel 1°19′, Mel Gibson 1°26′, Donald Rumsfeld 1°27′, Herbert von Dirksen 1°33′, Karl Ernst Krafft 1°36′.

Mercury conjunct M87: Deep thinker, quick-witted, keen and penetrating mind. Can see what others cannot. Powerful intellect capable of assimilating and processing vast amounts of complex data. Creative thinker, but can get bogged down in details. Unable to bring insights into reality. Ideas are not easily understood, believed or taken seriously. Can see patterns and plan. Trouble deciding between two or more options. Overwhelmed by choices. Susceptible to misinterpretation, misunderstanding, misrepresentation and deceit, but can detect lies and have a good sense of truth. Also good at lying and keeping secrets. May be deliberately deceptive and tricky. A persuasive speaker can be seen as too calculating. Able to build logical, well-thought-out arguments but have difficulty conveying a message. Ahead of their time with unique points of view. Can wound with words or inspire and encourage. [2]

Gwen Stefani 0°00′, Matt Damon 0°06′, Mary Shelley 0°28′, Nancy Kerrigan 0°44′ (and Descendant), LeAnn Rimes 0°46′, Julio Iglesias 0°56′ (and Sun and Neptune), Maura Murphy 0°57′ (and Venus), Charlton Heston 1°02′, Niall Horan 1°06′ (and Ascendant), Christopher Reeve 1°20′ (and Sun), Louise of Savoy 1°21′, Evan Rachel Wood 1°38′ (and South Node), Bella Hadid 1°41′, Dmitri Shostakovich 1°55′ (and Sun).

Venus conjunct M87: One over-powering, all-devouring passion for an individual or a cause. An insatiable appetite for love, intimacy and romance, finances, and creative expression. Flighty or too fixated on superficialities. The likelihood of at least one radical reappraisal of values throughout life. Long-term relationships may be challenging to achieve or prove ongoing sources of energy drain and require a great deal of attention to maintain. Many short-term, volatile relationships. Forms attachments quickly, almost unguardedly. [2]

Stacy Valentine 0°05′, Isabel Hickey 0°08′, Dorothy Parker 0°27′, Larry Hagman 0°34′, Jada Pinkett Smith 0°36′, Martinus Thomsen 0°37′, Lulu 0°47′, John Edward 0°49′, Stephen King 0°50′, Divine 0°51′, Maurice Blanchot 0°57′, Barbara Castle 1°15′, Ludwig II of Bavaria 1°18′, Maura Murphy 1°24′ (and Mercury), Fay Weldon 1°30′, Milton Brown 1°34′, Ilhan Omar 1°41′, Milly D’Abbraccio 1°50′.

Mars conjunct M87: Fluctuating or variable energy levels, an uneven feeling or vacillation between two poles of vibrant action and listless torpor, with periods of hyperphysical activity alternated with lassitude and withdrawal. Bouyant and active one day and lethargic or debilitated the next. There can be a great deal of energy at the native disposal, although tapping into it may not be easy. A tendency toward accidents, rash and impulsive action, clumsiness, stubborn and willful or resolute and determined. [2]

Robert Wadlow 0°04′, Camila Cabello 0°15′, Ilona Staller 0°17′, Prince George, Duke of Kent 0°24′, Jean-Henri Fabre 0°26′, Lisa Kudrow 0°27′, Paul Cezanne 0°31′, Yasmin Aga Khan 0°31′, Julian Castro 0°34′, Kirsten Dunst 0°38′, Huw Edwards 0°55′, Cat Stevens 1°08′, Bruce Scofield 1°09′, P. L. Travers 1°17′, Hank Locklin 1°18′, John Lennon 1°26′, Carl Friedrich Goerdeler 1°30′, Margueritte Yourcenar 1°36′, Kay Parker 1°41′ (and Neptune), Christa Chandler 1°42′, Jessica Simpson 1°43′, Sissy Spacek 1°44′, Jawaharal Nehru 1°47′, Althea Flynt 1°54′. John Galsworthy 2°00′ (and Midheaven).

Jupiter conjunct M87: Shifts belief systems and philosophical ground with relative ease but dogmatic about current beliefs. A free-flowing and adaptable belief system. Will likely endorse at least two radically different belief systems at different times. At least one major “conversion” experience in life. Eccentric or bizarre views. [2]

Patty Loveless 0°06′, Van Morrison 0°06′ (and Part of Fortune), Jessica Alba 0°07′, Julius Evola 0°12′, Katie Couric 0°13′, Francis I of France 0°17′, M. C. Escher 0°20′, Alexis Arquette 0°22′ (and Uranus), Laura Jane Grace 0°37′, Kiefer Sutherland 0°42′, Melanie Griffith 0°54′, Gertrude Stein 0°57′, Rami Malek 1°00′ (and Saturn), Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor 1°09′ (and Ascendant), Mariah Carey 1°12′ (and Uranus and South Node), John D. Rockerfeller Jr. 1°12′, Chaz Bono 1°42′ (and Uranus and South Node).

Saturn conjunct M87: Turmoil or instability in work or career but exceptional focus and energy for work-related tasks. Work and career demands impinge heavily on resources and energy. Difficulty choosing a career. Will likely embark on at least two utterly unrelated career paths, sometimes simultaneously, more often serially. Frequent job changes, especially early in life. Temporary setbacks, but career progress is steady, if erratic and unpredictable. [2]

Judy Garland 0°07′, Christopher Lee 0°07′ (and Ascendant), Pierre Cardin 0°32′, Crystal Gayle 0°58′, Marjorie Cameron 1°08′, Henry Ford 1°22′, Rami Malek 1°39′ (and Jupiter).

Uranus conjunct M87: Strong need for independence. Genius-level insights but also madness. Extreme rebelliousness and satisfaction in shocking others. A nonconformist, maverick persona. Creative thinking and a unique perspective that favors problem-solving. Stubbornly willful and unconcerned with the ramification for others of one’s actions. Problems with computers and technology. Natural talent for the sciences. May devise brilliant theories or inventions ahead of their time, but they are challenging, if not impossible, to implement given current circumstances. [2]

Mariah Carey 0°07′ (and Jupiter and South Node), Edward Norton 0°22′, Matthew Perry 0°24′, Alexis Arquette 0°37′ (and Jupiter), Parker Posey 0°44′, Chaz Bono 1°07′ (and Jupiter and South Node), Danielle Egnew 1°15′ (and South Node), Tucker Carlson 1°33′, Naomi Watts 1°37′, Will Smith 1°46′ (and Sun)

Neptune conjunct M87: Strongly escapist, which can manifest as alcohol or substance abuse. Problems with addiction or codependency. Highly empathetic with a strong spiritual core. Tendency to gloss over problems and unwillingness to face unpleasant truths. Issues with clarity or lack of focus but highly creative and aesthetically advanced. Musical or poetic abilities. [2]

Goerge Harrison 0°05′, Bobby Fischer 0°13′, Larry Flynt 0°14′, Rudy Giuliani 0°14′ (and Ascendant), Joe Biden 0°15′, Barbara Hand Clow 0°19′, Julio Iglesias 0°26′ (and Sun and Mercury), First atomic reaction 0°31′ (and Moon), Micheal Crichton 0°31′, Bob Woodward 0°42′, Janis Joplin 0°43′, Robert De Niro 0°50′, Sam Elliot 1°03′, Muhammed Ali 1°26′, Alan Oken 1°26′, Richard Speck 1°33′, Kay Parker 1°38′ (and Mars).

Pluto conjunct M87: Functions as a catalyst for others in crisis or transition. A natural affinity for mediating between realities. Issues with extreme jealousy or possessiveness. A marked tendency to act behind the scenes, to manipulate or attempt to control others, May become obsessed with secretiveness that can result in an overly closed, withholding personality. A strong urge for power and extreme willfulness which, if thwarted, may degenerate into obsessive/compulsive behaviors and bizarre quirks or eccentricities. [2]

Heidi Klum 0°00′, Christina Applegate 0°03′, Allison DuBois 0°15′, Gwyneth Paltrow 0°20′, Justin Trudeau 0°21′, Rufus Wainwright 0°25′, Monica Lewinsky 0°27′, Sachin Tendulkar 0°34′, Snoop Dog 1°05′.

Ascendant conjunct M87: David Cameron 0°01′, Edward Furlong 0°05′, Günther Tamaschke 0°06′, Dottie West 0°07′, Elizabeth Barrett Browning 0°09′, Rudolph Valentino 0°17′, André the Giant 0°19′, David Koresh 0°21′, Winston Churchill 0°22′, Rock Hudson 0°27′, Corazon Aquino 0°29′, Niall Horan 0°34′ (and Mercury), David Gest 0°38′, Christopher Lee 0°41′ (and Saturn), Lili Damita 0°45′, Joseph Gurney Cannon 0°48′, Britney Spears 0°52′, Lee Majors 0°55′, James McAvoy 1°00′, Gustav Simon 1°07′, Jacques Cousteau 1°15′, Kamisese Mara 1°21′, James Croll 1°21′, Maximilian I, Holy Roman Emperor 1°21′ (and Jupiter), Derek Jacobi 1°22′, Rudy Giuliani 1°31′ (and Neptune), Harrison Ford 1°31′, James Garfield 1°36′, Rick Castro 1°40′, Nigel Havers 1°50′, Gloria Star 1°54′, Shirley MacLaine 1°58′.

Midheaven conjunct M87: Ted Turner 0°08′, Luc Jouret 0°24′, John Galsworthy 0°29′ (and Mars), Henry V of England 0°37′, Sean Penn 0°55′, Alicia Witt 0°55′, Julian Clary 1°04′, Fred Astair 1°15′, Timothy Leary 1°37′.

Descendant conjunct M87: Barbara Hutton 0°29′, Heather Locklear 0°37′ (and Sun), Joan Collins 0°58′, Nancy Kerrigan 1°00′ (and Mercury), George V 1°50′ (and Moon).

Part of Fortune conjunct M87: Martina Navratilova 0°13′, Grant Morrison 0°23′, Jennifer Lawrence 0°35′, Diane Luciferia 0°49′, Ricki Lake 0°55′, Alexander Graham Bell 0°59′, John Coltrane 1°07′ (and Sun), Van Morrison 1°11′ (and Jupiter), Helen Duncan 1°11′, Mary Tyler Moore 1°39′, Stuart Wilde 1°43′ (and Sun).

North Node conjunct M87: Cary Grant 0°12′, Cheiro 0°25′, Ryan O’Neal 0°52′, Jean Dixon 0°52′.

South Node conjunct M87: Danielle Egnew 0°08′ (and Uranus), Richard Branson 0°15′, Rajneesh 0°15′, Chaz Bono 0°19′ (and Jupiter and Uranus), David Duke 0°40′, Jennifer Aniston 0°44′, Zac Efron 0°47′, Steve Wozniak 1°02′, Evan Rachel Wood 1°23′ (and Mercury), Mariah Carey 1°32′ (and Jupiter and Uranus).

Black Hole Astrology References

  1. The Super Galactic Center, Philip Sedgwick
  2. The Black Hole Book, Alex Miller, 2014.
  • All fixed star positions are for the year 2000. Add one degree per 72 years to correct for precession.

33 thoughts on “M87 – Black Hole Astrology

  1. I have my natal Pluto there, in my 1st house (Im Virgo Rising), in Libra, and now the New Moon.. whats gonna happen???? At least, i got some answers, to my problematic Love life.. thanks Jamie🙏

  2. Very interesting, thank you. I have my natal Vertex in conjunction with M87 on the exact degree in Libra. So the new moon on Sunday the 25th will hit it. Natal Vertex and this new moon also makes an exact, on the degree, square to my natal MC in Capricorn and an exact square to my natal IC conjunct Saturn in Cancer. Also natal Vertex is 4 degrees conjunct natal Pluto. Other natal aspects from my 2.32 degree Vertex in Libra: trine to Venus in Capricorn within 4 degrees and a trine to Jupiter in Aquarius in a wide degree of 9. Also my natal Vertex is near my DC, which is on degree 9 in Libra. I would love if you or anyone would like to comment on if there is anything to expect from this new moon on Sunday. And what it could mean to have Vertex in exact conjunct to M87. Wish everyone a lovely weekend!

  3. Return of the Red Eye.

    One red,one sparkly,

    the center the black hole.

    Is black a color?

    Welcome to the womb hole.

    Charlie and the chocolate factory meet starburst.

  4. Wow, I’m going to have to buy this Black Hole book to add to my collection! Thanks for posts, I’ve enjoyed them over the years!

  5. Sorry Jamie, “Theoretical physics states that Black Holes are doorways to parallel universes, alternate realities, and higher dimensions.” This is not true, Black Holes are not holes, doors or pathways of any type, they are atomic mincing machines that will rip apart any matter that crosses the Event Horizon. Their gravity will influence everything within their reach and lost matter sucked into the BH’s sphere will probably recycle into an energy beam. I’m a physicist and have studied Cosmology as well as the cross-over into Astrology, and the nature of the human mind.

  6. M87 is cosily (??) snuggled between Neptune and Chiron in my 10th house.
    I have been married (and divorced) three times.
    One of my mottoes used to be : “I believe in excess” but this was mostly when I was much younger.
    The only reason I don’t abuse substances, is that I don’t at all like the way any such abuse makes me feel.
    Excess?? I have 4000 books…

  7. Bipolar/twin flames,for some,have a hard time coming back to center and becoming the master of both poles.

    Trinity and back to Godhead.

    Thanks for the write up Jamie and being on the money.

    Looking forward to the coming of age of trinity in unity.

    The Father,the son,the holy spirit,amen.

    Excerpt:Central to the doctrine of God is the unity of the godhead. God cannot be divided against himself. In Christian faith we have one God in three Persons in perfect relational unity, fully representative of each other, and equally ultimate.

    Game on.: )

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUmE-tne5U

  8. The M87 is smack on my natal Sun at two degrees of Libra, and in a tight stellium with Venus and Neptune. Not sure whether to run and hide, or get lost in the power and glory.

    • Markeb also directly on Ascendant at 28.5 Virgo. It all seems rather too close for comfort, but been feeling a major shift. Hopefully in the right direction!

  9. How do you find out where it sits in your Birth chart? I cant find a Symbol for it anywhere?

    • Hi Shelly. The position of 02°03′ Libra is for the year 2000. You have to work it out yourself for your birth year. Like the fixed stars, It moves ahead through the zodiac at one degree every 72 years, or 0.838′ per year.

      • Ok, confusing, thought I could find a way on astro.com to no avail. I was born in 1983, so prior to 2000 as it moves every 72 years means it was in Virgo?

        • 2000 – 1983 = 17 years
          17 years X 0.838’/year = 14.2′
          02♎03 – 14′ = 01♎49

          So in 1983, M87 was at 01♎49

          • Oh thank you Jamie, how do you find out what house its in Natal & what house its currently transiting?

  10. Hi M87 black hole is not at the centre of milky way galaxy it is the sagittarius A

    • Messier 87, or Virgo A, aka the “Super Galactic Center” is an 8.6 magnitude supergiant galaxy in the constellation Virgo. It is one of our “Local Universe’s” largest and most massive galaxies. This is different from the Galactic Center at 27 Sag, which is the center of our Milky Way Galaxy. M87 is the center of the Virgo Cluster, a closely compacted structure of about 2,000 galaxies. This forms the core of the larger Virgo SuperCluster, of which our Local Group (including the Milky Way, Andromeda, and Triangulum Galaxies) is an outlying member. So this is more like your boss’s boss, than your boss 🙂

      • James, James Bond? Good work 007,007. Feel free to clip an Artwork bond coupon for a mess hall and vegetarian chef.

  11. Bonjour , pourriez vous nous sortir un article sur le centre galactique vers le 26 Degrès sagittarius ? ça serait interessant je trouve , merci .

  12. Seems politicians, artists, and agency actors chasing around the Astrologyking Artwork rabbit today… and fallen into Messier 87.

    Here is a chart that will help you get out.

    https://postimg.cc/xqXQLtwj

    Asteroid Alice, Earth grand trine, with Mercury and Jupiter

    • Today, I’m happy to report, Evidence that, at least one country, has managed to solve the SGC riddle and vacated the Black Hole.

      Using SGC conjunction charts in series, Sun (Sept 25), Mercury (Oct 6) and Ascendant (Oct 20 Halloween composite Sun-Mercury) and key words; Bond, Bank, and Treasury Bond, it would be China that is showing evidence of moving quicker to formalize a New ‘Gold’ Standard.

  13. I’m not an astrologer, but deep down I’ve always known that people are connected to black holes. Their shadow is! I remember the initial stage of my journey when I had to struggle so much to break through the initial layers of my pride, limited perceptions, and ignorance. This all felt like breaking through a mad or out-of-the-way black hole. I believe that black hole astrology can reveal many dark secrets of the human dark side. I think that astrologers are extremely gifted people, but they don’t know the biblical perspective. I’ve never met one of them who does. This is tragic.

    • This time of year the Lyrics to Monster Mash tell a better story regarding Pandemic and the Crypt Kicker Five that haunt astrologyking, but if you prefer biblical…

      the Gospel and the Zodiac,
      Allegorical Astronomy and Astrology in the Gospel of Mark
      Bill Darlinson

      Darlison elucidates the zodiac’s significant place in the Gospels, most specifically in the Book of Mark . . . An intriguing leap into faith” (Kirkus Reviews).

      “For millennia the world has been driven by the differences between the great patriarchal religions. Western civilization—or Christendom, as it was once called—received its values and its confidence from a belief in God, the Father, and Jesus, his only son. But what if this conviction were founded on an error? Who is the man in the factually inconsistent Gospel stories? And who is the man who makes a brief appearance carrying a jar of water?

      This extraordinary study by a Unitarian minister suggests that Jesus never existed historically; he was simply a representation of an astrological theology—a representation, simply put, of the zodiac sign of Aquarius. In The Gospel & the Zodiac, Rev. Bill Darlison demonstrates that all the other signs are present too, in perfect zodiacal order. The Gospel story is not the product of historians or eyewitnesses, but an older, mystical text produced by an ancient, esoteric school as a guide to the Age of Pisces. Every bit as revelatory and controversial as it sounds, The Gospel & the Zodiac will shake up the religious status quo, and in doing so, provide both a new look at a religious icon and a deeper understanding of the faith that binds millions together.

      “Darlison begins by looking at different scholarly approaches to the gospels, then outlines his astrological interpretation logically and lucidly, matching the zodiacal signs to the narrative of Mark.” —Fortean Times

      • Alternatively, there is a Magi chart, but it was posted on a Mercury retrograde thread when this aspect would get refreshed and comments cleaned. This presented a dillemna, so the Crypt Kicker kicked off a new concept and benchmarked MercuryRx to Magi and you can still see those comments, along with the abortion debate and the birth of feminist astrology, at the generic Mercury Retrograde Natal.
        https://astrologyking.com/mercury-retrograde/

        Less is known that the place name of the Magi chart, for simple reference, was Adiyaman. Within 24 hours of posting, Goldfield’s announced a merger with Yamana which was terminated at the Lunar Eclipse Nov 8, 2022, but not before Goldfields made 300 million$.

        We are 48 hours away from the next Lunar Eclipse, the last one was difficult, landing on Algol. This time it’s Sheratan. First decan Taurus comfortable with 5 star living.

        • The 8 Nov 2022 lunar eclipse doesn’t conjunct Algol, but it’s characteristics, for me personally, had an Algol effect of the worst kind, as the Moon would go on to transit Algol the following day.

          The chart could be called Laptop Lunar Eclipse because I end up at a former forum haunt basically doing a Hunter Laptop, without the women, drugs and business deals. But it was harsh. I know this because I shat a 9 inch dagger this morning.

          https://postimg.cc/YvPbnK2C

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