Algol Star – The Blinking Demon

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Algol at 26°10′ Taurus has an orb of 2°00′
Fixed Star Algol Star Astrology

Perseus Constellation [Stellarium]

The Sun joins Algol on May 16

Fixed star Algol, Beta Persei, is a 2.1 magnitude, rare triple star and eclipsing binary, located in the Medusa’s Head, carried in the left hand of the Hero, Perseus Constellation. The name Algol comes from the Arabic word رئيس الغول, meaning  Head of the Ogre. The English translation became Demon Star, with other names being Satan’s Head, the Spectre’s Head. In Chinese, it belongs to s group of stars called the Mausoleum. Algol it appears to blink as shown in the animation below. Every 69 hours, its magnitude dips for about 10 hours before returning to full brightness again.

Degree*

23 ♉ 52
24 ♉ 12
26 ♉ 10
00 ♊ 00
05 ♊ 48

Orb

1°40′
1°30′
2°00′
2°00′
1°30′

Algol Star Astrology

In astrology, Algol is one of the most unfortunate stars. Ptolemy referred to it as “the Gorgon of Perseus” and associated it with death by decapitation: mirroring the myth of the hero Perseus’ victory over the snake-headed Gorgon Medusa. Historically, it has received a strong association with violence across a wide variety of cultures. Medieval Arabic commanders tried to ensure that no important battle began whilst the light of Algol was weak. It may be connected to the periodic lucky prognosis in an ancient Egyptian calendar for lucky and unlucky days composed about 3200 years ago. The 17th-century English astrologer William Lilly regarded any planet to be afflicted when within five degrees of conjunction. [1]

Astrologers, of course, said that it was the most unfortunate, violent, and dangerous star in the heavens, and it certainly has been one of the best observed, as the most noteworthy variable in the northern sky. [2]

Algol represents the head of the Gorgon Medusa who was slain by Perseus. Medusa, who was the only mortal one of the three Gorgon sisters, was originally a beautiful maiden, but her hair was changed into hissing serpents by Minerva in consequence of her having become by Neptune the mother of Chrysaor and Pegasus in one of Minerva’s temples. This gave her so fearful an appearance that everyone who looked at her was changed into stone.

Of the nature of Saturn and Jupiter. It causes misfortune, violence, decapitation, hanging, electrocution and mob violence, and gives a dogged and violent nature that causes death to the native or others. It is the most evil star in the heavens.

Algol symbol (Agripe 1531).svg  Algol is one of the 15 Behenian Fixed Stars. Its image is a human head cut off at the neck. It gives success to petitions, makes the wearer bold and magnanimous, preserves the body, protects against witchcraft, and turns evil and spells back upon those who work them. Rules diamond, black hellebore, and mugwort. [3]

Algol Star Astrology

Algol Star [en.wikipedia.org]

Algol is the Head of Gorgo Medusa. This name is derived from the Arabic Al Ghoul meaning “demon”, “evil spirit”, or “devil”. Derived from the same root as “alcohol.” The dark one has the property of pure Saturn character; the lighter one corresponds not only to Saturnian influence but also to Mars-Uranus-Pluto nature. If the dark fellow is showing toward Earth’s path, the destructive invisible action is exercised. These will be the hours in which Algol is least bright. In the olden times, people were well aware of this. Dr, Lomer wrote in Kosmobiologie, August 1950: “Arabic commanders-in-chief, in times of conquest, made it a point that no important battles were begun when the light of Algol was weak.”

In spite of the appreciable distance from the ecliptic, this double star’s influence is strongly felt and in more cases, it is a disastrous one. Primitive natives will be of the base mind with an inclination to brutality and violence, especially when Algol is found together with Mars or Saturn. It is very difficult to avoid accidents and severe injuries if Algol is conjunction Sun, Moon or the malefics. As everything has two sides, it has to be said that “high spiritual rays” are emanating from Algol also, but only those human beings can receive them who have already reached high spiritual development. Even then, it has to be noted that those particular persons will have difficulties and obstacles in their way, and they have to use much energy to overcome these handicaps. If their endeavors fail, strong counter forces and enmities will be present. [4]

Algol star has the nature of Jupiter, but it also has a long tradition as a trouble maker. It is said to be one of the most unfortunate, violent, and dangerous stars in the heavens. This is explained by the fact that Jupiter takes on all of its most perverse meanings: too much heat, as it were, resulting in extremist actions that undo all the beneficial qualities of this planet. [5]

Algol, alias Caput Medusa, is the Demon herself. Indeed she is, without doubt, counted the most malefic of all stars in astrology, even though Ptolemy gives her the less obviously ominous Saturn-Jupiter styling. Medusa’s Head, the meaning of the Latin title, is being held in Perseus’s hand, which is she is star β in his constellation.

What seems to have been missed by the old school is that Capulus and Algol each have a very positive side to them. The sword did remove a monstrosity from our world, and the monstrosity’s head did, in its turn, rescue Andromeda – and by the same token, all of us – from yet another monster of great evil. True that Algol comes from an old Arabic word meaning particularly nasty spirit but then, as we have noted, we all too easily look back and within ourselves only to be halted at our traumas and ‘nasty bits’, failing to penetrate further to the glory beyond them. Lilith is not Medusa at all, not the ugly blockage in us but the beauty beyond it. Once we pass the ‘ghoul’ in Algol, we find the pure Spirit in that word, just as its modern derivative, Alcohol, which does so much damage if used irresponsibly, is also the background material of the Universe, without which nothing else exists at all.

How Capulus, and more especially Algol star, signify on horoscopes depends entirely on how the person concerned does or does not live life with an honest sense of purpose to it, a desire at least to try to live up to some kind of philosophy, religion or ideal. If that be present, in the person or question or event for which the chart is drawn, then all will go well. The author has seen this happen so often, once the superstition about these stars is dropped. If purpose and intent be ‘shady’, then we don’t really need stars to tell us that things are likely, with good reason, to go wrong.

Yes, we know that Algol often does show up in disastrous accidents with death as their climax, but we must remember that our too-common state of disbelief in life beyond the one event since birth that is the lot of all of us. We fear because we do not believe, and we fear to overcome our fear, lest to be fearless of death should somehow cause us to love mortal life the less. We fear to let go of the past because we lack faith in the Hand that holds the future. With Algol poorly aspected in our charts we may well repeat the popular but obscene: ‘Better the devil you know that the devil you don’t’ , but those with the Star of the Spirit better placed, we find the person who knows better than to slander the Hand as a devil. Many a fine counselor and healer has Algol thus placed.

Alcyone, η Tauri, and the whole Pleiades group is noted in astrology for its association with deep sorrows and tragedies, bereavements showing strongly with this star. Its position by longitude soon after Algol in Perseus may account for the gloomy quality, since Algol is much connotative with a violent death in mundane astrology, and that, of course, means bereavement for someone else. As a practicing astrological consultant, however, the present author has found that one or both of these stars prominent, even though ‘afflicted’, on one’s horoscope makes for an excellent counselor to others in the time of bereavement, with a special gift for bring out the brighter spiritual significance of Death as the transition to Greater Life and this so very often relieves the counselor him or herself from the misery that others so commonly suffer in that area of life. [6]

Algol star rules one-quarter inch up the base of the neck in the human body. [7]

I have found that a strong Algol placement in the natal chart corresponds to very distinctive facial features and hair. There may be a striking beard or glorious long hair. The teeth, nose or ears may also be striking in some way, either extremely beautiful, large or deformed.

Constellation Perseus

Perseus Constellation gives an intelligent, strong, bold and adventurous nature, but a tendency to lying. [3] The constellation is indicative of events affecting large numbers of people, especially those events caused by major meteorological phenomena. [5]

17th Chinese Lunar Mansion – 胃 (Wèi) Stomach

The celestial granary. Governs the accumulation of wealth and storing, prisons, punishment, execution, sea walls, reservoirs, and canals. Good for making investments, tending to savings and banking. Everything involving earth is favored, such as digging and funerals. Children of a marriage contracted on this day will be protected by influential figures.

Algol Star, Beta Persei

Algol Star, Beta Persei [astropixels.com]

Algol Star Conjunctions

Ascendant conjunct Algol: Linda Marshall 0°28′, Robert the Bruce 0°29′, David Beckham 1°37′, Frederick the Great 1°55′

Midheaven conjunct Algol: Murder, sudden death, beheading, prone to murder and mischief. If at the same time in conjunction with Sun, Moon or Jupiter, gives victory over others in war. [3] Jim Kerr 0°16′, Donald Trump 1°03′, Frida Kahlo 1°31′, Woody Allen 1°53′

Hyleg conjunct Algol and angular: decapitation or a murderer who meets with a violent death. [3]

Part of Fortune conjunct Algol: poverty. [3] Rihanna 0°49′, Nigel Farage 1°36′, Pope Francis I 1°56′

Sun conjunct Algol: Violent death or extreme sickness. If also in no aspect to a benefic, or there is no benefic in the 8th house, and the dispositor of the Sun in a day nativity or if the Moon in the night one is in square or opposition to Mars, the native will be beheaded; if the luminary culminate he will be maimed, mangled, wounded or torn to pieces alive; and if Mars is at the same time in Gemini or Pisces his hands or feet will be cut off. [3]

Tucker Carlson 0°05′, Liberace 0°10′, Marshal Applewhite 0°18′, Debra Winger 0°19′, Cosimo de’ Medici 0°19′, Tori Spelling 0°28′, Graig Ferguson 0°40′, Megan Fox 0°56′, Josh Homme 0°58′, Zara Phillips 1°02′, John Frawley 1°11′, Brian Eno 1°15′, Trent Reznor 1°19′, Georges Braque 1°35′, Don Bachardy 1°36′, Pope John Paul II 1°46′, Andy Murray 1°48′, Erik Satie 1°53′, Yannick Noah 1°58′.

Moon conjunct Algol: Violent death or extreme sickness. [3]

Pope John Paul II 0°39′, Mick Jagger 1°24′.

Moon conjunct Venus conjunct Algol opposite Neptune: This energy point causes a multitude of problems connected with the neck. These people are unable to look down to see their feet, and when under stress, are unable to bend the neck forward or in any direction. Their energy is blocked up to the pituitary gland thus interfering with spiritual development. A great deal of the problem here is the lack of spiritual development as these individuals wish to remain fixed on the mundane and material areas of their life. These beings should consult spiritual healers who can make life a bit more comfortable for them as it will help open up the energy at this point and balance it with the rest of the system. Other parts of the body can be affected here, especially the thymus gland which in turn affects the lymph nodes. Contrary to popular belief, the thymus gland does not discontinue functioning after puberty; it does continue to function and affect the lymph nodes and spiritual development. [7]

Mercury conjunct Algol: David Beckham 0°00′, Eric Burdon 0°07′, Johnny Depp 0°21′, Salvador Dali 1°20′, Joseph Gurney Cannon 1°22′.

Venus conjunct AlgolEric Burdon 0°09′, Duke William of Cambridge 0°15′, Johnny Depp 0°26′, Sid Vicious 1°05′, Princess Diana of Wales 1°13′, Michael Moore 1°51′.

Mars conjunct Algol: or if Mars be elevated above the luminaries when Algol is angular, the native will be a murderer who will come to an untimely end. The same is caused by Algol angular or with the hyleg. [3]

Salvador Dali 0°21′, Robert De Niro 0°45′, Nancy Pelosi 0°58′, Liberace 1°37′.

Mars or Saturn conjunct Algol and Moon with Sadalmelik: hanging or decapitation by royal command; if the Moon is with Denebola death by judicial sentence; and, if the Moon is with Alphard death by water or poison. [3]

Jupiter conjunct Algol: This is the best placement for Algol. It gives wonderful creative talents such as art and music, from which you can make a good living.

Sara Aldrete 0°21′, Pablo Picasso 0°58′, Eric Burdon 0°58′, John F. Kennedy 1°58′.

Uranus conjunct Algol: John Lennon 0°12′, Linda Marshall 0°25′, Eric Burdon 0°27′, Michael Bloomberg 1°02′, Muhammad Ali 1°06′, Bruce Lee 1°40′.

Pluto conjunct Algol: Albert Einstein 0°14′, Edgar Cayce 1°31′.

North Node conjunct Algol: Katy Perry 1°34′, Hillary Clinton 1°52′.

South Node conjunct Algol: Justin Bieber 0°51′.

Algol Star and Evolution

From the mythology of Medusa, we can see her as a mutant. A mutation is the driver of generic evolution, it is no surprise to see the Algol star prominent in the history of the Human Genome Project.

On June 1, 1866, Charles Benedict, the father of the American eugenics movement was born. Mercury was conjunct Algol. He sterilized 60 000 “unfit”, or mutant Americans and “strongly influenced the Holocaust in Europe” [8].

On July 16, 1945, we exploded the first nuclear bomb, the Trinity Test in Nevada. Mars was conjunct Algol. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that followed killed over 200 000 people and mutated countless more.

On April 25, 1953, Watson and Crick published their groundbreaking discovery on the structure of DNA, the building block of our genes. Jupiter was conjunct Algol.

On December 9, 1984, research on casualties at Hiroshima and Nagasaki led to the Alta Summit, the beginnings of the Human Genome Project. North Node was conjunct Algol. “If genome projects prove important to biology, then historians will note the Alta meeting” [9].

On June 25, 2000, President Clinton announced the completion of the Human Genome Project [10]. Saturn was conjunct Algol.

On May 18, 2006, the sequence of the last chromosome was published in the journal Nature. Sun and Mercury were conjunct Algol.

On May 21, 2008, the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act became law “To prohibit discrimination on the basis of genetic information with respect to health insurance and employment” [11]. Venus was conjunct Algol.

Recommended Reading

Medusa’s Head, Diana Rosenberg.

References

1. Stars in Astrology – Algol, Wikipedia.
2. Star Names, Their Lore and Meaning, Richard Hinckley Allen, 1889, p.333.
3. Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson, 1923, p.56, 123, 124, 232, 242.
4. Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1971, p.14-16.
5. Fixed Stars and Judicial Astrology, George Noonan, 1990, p.21.
6. The Living Stars, Dr. Eric Morse, 1988, p.38, 130.
7. The Fixed Star Health and Behavior Imbalance, Ted George and Barbara Parker, 1985, p.21.
8. Charles Davenport – Wikipedia
9. The Alta Summit, December 1984, Human Genome Project Information.
10. White House Press Release, Human Genome Project Information.
11. Public Law 110–233 110th Congress, Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

* All fixed star positions are for the year 2000. Add one degree per 72 years to correct for precession.

182 thoughts on “Algol Star – The Blinking Demon

      • Jayne Mansfield cause of death was said to be “crushed skull with avulsion of cranium and brain”, which fits Algol’s interpretation. I had heard that she was decapitated in the car accident in which she died, but apparently this was not true, according to Wikipedia – what a horrible rumour to have spread!

      • My Taurus Sun is at 26 degrees {Algol}. It’s in the 8th house, and my 8th house cusp is also at 26 degrees of Taurus. I hope I’ll be OK ! Pretty serious stuff.

        • I’m sure you’ll be ok, Anne. After all, these positions have been there all your life, and here you are posting on the Algol blog!
          Don’t forget, either, that it’s the dramatic incidents that get the attention. Another thing to remember is that the 8th house is also about transformation, which can be uncomfortable while it’s going on, but ends up having been worthwhile.

          • With astrology it can be’ symbolic ‘ also like the loss of a high position in government ( I.e H.Clinton has it on her S.Node , and she never reached the top of her game.) Bill also had his moon wide conjunct hers.)
            On the opposite end Marie Antoinette.doesn’t have anything conjunct hers.I’m sure there can be other aspects that can be mitigating also.I agree these examples are sensational and should not be construed the wrong way.Astrology is interpretive at best.Everyone has Algol in their chart but few people have this kind of ‘ harsh’ result.I wrote in another comment section , about an astrologer that had the same exact birthday as someone I know that doesn’t know anything more about astrology than her Sun sign. “There ya go ” !
            Does that invalidate astrology in any way ? I’m not saying that at all.There is too much beyond coincidence that happens , but each individual is unique and their life experience will be. ‘ colored ‘differently for that reason alone.Have a good day ! 🙂

            • Thank you Doug, for injecting some much-needed sanity here! I must confess that I have been concentrating on the sensational OMG!! aspect of Algol, in spite of the fact that Jamie posted both positive and negative interpretations.
              Algol is on my Desc. Ok, so I was born with the cord around my neck, and my “foetal distress” supposedly precipitated my birth four days earlier than expected, but who knows whether that didn’t happen to give me the horoscope that matched my needs for this incarnation?
              I’ve had some fairly dramatic relationship experiences, mostly from not choosing my associates more carefully. So up to now, I can say that I’ve “failed” at relationships – thank you for pointing out Hillary Clinton’s failure to reach the top of her game, it gave me a different perspective on my Algol position.
              I feel quite sorry for Medusa – she wasn’t originally a monster, she was a beauty. I must revisit her myth in detail.
              Oh, and I kinda like snakes and get along with the non-poisonous ones quite well…
              My last Solar Return has Algol exactly at my MC – and so has my son’s. I felt like running away when I saw that – but where to??
              Quite a few astrologers are sceptical of the value of the SR, after all, it’s really just a transit, as are all planetary returns, with Saturn’s being the best known one.
              So far, the time periods since our birthdays have been fairly horrible, but there HAVE been bright spots too. And the current storm going on among the planets apply to everyone that I know, and have nothing at all to do with Algol generally.

            • Did you know that at birth M. Antoinette’s parents had an astrologer do her chart ? And her astrologer was fearful about her future and literally said so ?
              And if I recall, her father had his fears as well. The biography was by Anunziata Asquith, it’s out of print but can be bought used.

            • hi Doug,
              Thanks for the reply about the comment I made to E.C.A.M. {further down the page…again I had the problem of no “reply” button to click on to answer your comment, so I traveled up the page here}.
              For a while I did study astrology and wanted to be an astrologer, as you noticed when I said 10th house Uranus. That’s no surprise right ?!
              🙂
              But the math bugged me. I didn’t have the desire/ability to get into just how complex astrological charts can be {as a perfectionist I’d want to know <<>> and knew that wasn’t possible}. I love reading about astrologers, I have Evangeline Adams and Sidney Omarr bios. Also have a collection of antique astrology books, which I adore as well as a ton of newer booksThanks for the compliment, I agree if you can be a natural with astrology or at least to some degree. As with anything.

              I totally agree with what you said about not necessarily needing extensive education with everything. I’m mainly a self-taught artist. I’m also a small, home-based business entrepreuner, so yeah, you can do plenty without a degree specific to what you’re developing, without any formal training. I didn’t study business.
              I was married to a Physicist who worked in high tech/chip design although he’d never studied it. He was in on the microchip industry when it first began. He has a Physics degree and just “became” a high tech engineer, by the seat of his pants so to speak, like all the other budding engineers back then when the industry was being invented.

              Thanks also for the parenting compliment. I did try to be a good parent. I wasn’t always…failed in some respects but I did make sure my children could defend themselves {includes the martial arts}. Their father is from NYC, so they grew up more savvy than maybe some of their friends. I began studying astrology in order to understand my son when he was about 3 years old. He was more difficult and I wanted to understand him. It really did help,! his chart kind of blew my mind even though it was the first chart I ever really studied besides my own.
              Just a partial on his birth chart – Sun and Mercury in Aquarius, Scorpio Ascendant, Pluto rising real close to the Ascendant line in the 12th house and square to his Sun, Mars rising in the first house {at least Mars is closer to his second house cusp than his Ascendant but still, it’s in the first house…}. That, all by itself without adding anything else, is like “poor kid” ! Saddled with all that !

            • hi Doug,
              Here’s the comment you addressed to me,{my answer is below it}
              “Just saw your comment Anne .
              I believe we all choose our lives , some souls go deep into the physical matter and it becomes depressed.Its still there , but it forgets its origins momentarily.
              Some like you have some recall giving you an advantage I would say rather than like an automaton that only goes thru the motions of ‘ animated ‘ life and then death , and life and death and life and death….Consider yourself blessed that u have this awareness and self awareness I’m sure it was earned.
              Most people don’t have charts loaded with grand trines.I don’t think.we would be here if we werent meant to face challenges.To me life on EARTH. ‘ is ‘ PURGATORY !!!
              Here’s a book I want u to read.You will find it fascinating : Reincarnation by: Sylvia Cranston and Carey Williams ( a new horizon in science , religion , and society. )
              P.S. if you want to see some challenging geometry look up Bruce Lee’s astrological biography ! Talk about tough ! (but I know you can be a ‘ tough mama meat shakin’ on the bone ‘ too if you have to.)Lol ♍👍Have a good day !”

              hi Doug,
              Thanks, very nice of you ! I’m tempted to post my full birth data just for the heck of it but I’m already like a Narcisissist, all over this page, writing “I” this, “I” that….I – I – I, !!!
              Being sensitive isn’t rare but yes, seems maybe some people aren’t so sensitive. Sensitivity’s a blessing but stress due to sensitivity is ongoing. I identify with the Victorians and their “fainting couches” ! ha ha.

              Grand trines ? Who has “loads” of those, {me ?}.I think someone once said I have a T-Square but I can’t remember much about it.

              Life on earth is “Purgatory”, that’s precisely what my mother used to say. Life here is also pretty cool in so many ways. The intangible is just as close any visible thing here as well.

              Thanks for the book recommendation. How do you know I have recall ? Now my son, with Pluto in Scorpio in the 12th house, plus his Scorpio Ascendant would definitely be capable of recall. One of my favorite reincarnation books is “Raymond”. I’ve had dreams too. I’m not 100% convinced of anything, but I was very mediumistic until I stopped encouraging it. Not sure of the origin of where it really came from but the psychic and mediumistic experiences were usually really beautiful, breathtaking.

              P.S. Buce Lee had lots of Scorpio, which makes sense. Scorpio is innovating, like Jimi Hendrix’s Mars in Scorpio, which might have been in his 10th house. But I couldn’t begin to see geometry in a chart ! I’m not a professional.
              🙂
              P.S.S. ‘ tough mama meat shakin’ on the bone ‘ ?! What ?! Doesn’t sound very dignified.
              Despite the more concerning areas of my birth chart, I gravitate to the arts, spirituality, book collecting,film,poetry,Europe, pets,gardens and flower-growing, time spent alone. I’m overly polite.Introspective. I’m no Girl Scout, but usually someone has to really,really be “asking for it” for me to show much temper,and even then I might not get overly angry.

            • “I think anyone that has an interest in metaphysics has a conscious or unconscious notion of some sort of universal source even at a basic level as u say with your astrology.. I think ‘ martial arts have a lot of metaphysical discipline in their ‘ethics’ rules.😄”

              Hi Doug,
              I’m not trained in martial arts though. My ex and my kids are. I was initiated in Reiki healing, but that’s about all, and I rarely use that anymore. Sure, a Universal source, probably there is.

          • Hi Char,
            Oh yes I know the positions have been there all my life. But in every Algol tragedy, same deal right ? The person was “fine”, up until the Algol was activated.
            I’m still convinced it’s not the best to have 26 degree Taurus Sun in the 8th and the 26 degrees Scorpio cusp on the 8th.

            I know about transformations, I agree with you. I’ve been aware of that for most of my life. I really like transformations.

            • Hi Anne ; I know lots of the aristocracy had their ‘ soothsayer ‘ sleuths.I think the future is the only thing that is somewhat malliable.That’s what Cayce said , and no doubt some of his prognostications didn’t come out exactly as planned about the future .No one has a chart without challenges , but therve been times I thought maybe joining a monestary might not be such a bad idea for awhile ! ( hehe )That’s might have been good advice for the New Zealand shooter. ( going thru his ist saturn return , 29 yrs.old.Some life paradigm shift to go thru huh ?)

        • Hello Anne, what a coincidence, I also have Sun at 26 degrees Taurus, conjunct MC. No other aspects. Isolated, only Sun, Algol, MC conjunct. Having a difficult life, with Uranus/Pluto conjunct ascendant in opposition with Saturn on descendant. Always nervous stress and anxiety. Helas! Poor me!

          • hi E.C.A.M.,
            Conjunct the MC sounds interesting though. Wonder what things you’re drawn to as a career.

            Uranus and Pluto both Conjunct your Ascendant ? Sorry to hear it’s been hard on you. Sounds like it could be used as an advantage too, though. No other aspects, do you mean to your Sun, ?

            My son has Pluto rising, in the 12th house. Scorpio Ascendant too, {!} so I get an idea about your rising Pluto somewhat from that.
            He tended to be a magnet for idiots while growing up, but it still happens once in a great while, even now that he’s a young adult {his Pluto being in the 12th}. It mostly worked out OK {other than the stress and annoyance}, he stayed away from fights if he could, and if he couldn’t well he was Kung Fu trained, so not many worries thanks to that. Just don’t tell it to everyone if you do have skills.The element of surprise helps.

            A rising Uranus might be hard on the nerves. But you’d be original, the Pluto would give the intensity to further it. But opposed by Saturn, oh yes “poor you” indeed. I have Saturn doing similar, serious things in my solar chart for the year {in fact I wondered if I’d survive this coming year}. I saw that and thought, ohhhh, effing GREAT {!}.
            Since it’s Saturn on your Descendant, sorry what effect that must have on relationships, ?, with the other planets aiming at it too.

            You qualify as a “Uranian” and a Plutonian” from what I’ve heard so far, {I’m not a professional astrologer but if I remember what I read, certain planets in angular houses create that}.
            Try being a Neptunian {1st house}, Plutonian{10th}, and Uranian {10th}, it’s even crazier.
            Hard to decide day to day who to be,
            🙂

            • Hi Ann ! I spotted your comment.I felt compelled to comment on it :
              I think your interpretations are very good ! , and I think you have an intuition for astrology. You have Uranus it’s ruler in the 10 th ( hmmm ?) , maybe your an astrologer by definition.
              I read a biography one time about Thomas Edison .I don’t think he had a formal education or a college degree.No doubt one would help , but u still have to have the interest and drive.My parents were honor students , neither one ever made a lot of money. My mothers brother dropped out of school at a young age and became master automobile mechanic. Without much formal education.When they changed over the ‘ guts ‘ and computerized everything he went back to school and studied it. I was a bottom feeder academically , but I did much better , but I studied subjects I was interested in ; always !
              It sounds like you’ve given your son a good mental foundation ! ( that’s good parenting ! ) ♍😄

            • Just saw your comment Anne .
              I believe we all choose our lives , some souls go deep into the physical matter and it becomes depressed.Its still there , but it forgets its origins momentarily.
              Some like you have some recall giving you an advantage I would say rather than like an automaton that only goes thru the motions of ‘ animated ‘ life and then death , and life and death and life and death….Consider yourself blessed that u have this awareness and self awareness I’m sure it was earned.
              Most people don’t have charts loaded with grand trines.I don’t think.we would be here if we werent meant to face challenges.To me life on EARTH. ‘ is ‘ PURGATORY !!!
              Here’s a book I want u to read.You will find it fascinating : Reincarnation by: Sylvia Cranston and Carey Williams ( a new horizon in science , religion , and society. )
              P.S. if you want to see some challenging geometry look up Bruce Lee’s astrological biography ! Talk about tough ! (but I know you can be a ‘ tough mama meat shakin’ on the bone ‘ too if you have to.)Lol ♍👍Have a good day !

            • Hi Anne ‘ the ‘ meat shakin on the bone ‘ is a line from an old Bob Dylan song.I meant it as a figure of speech in reference to something you said in a story about you and your family where you said someone asked who was the toughest , and your family without hesitation pointed at you.It was meant to be a ‘tongue in cheek ‘ compliment , not meant in an insulting way at all..
              I think anyone that has an interest in metaphysics has a conscious or unconscious notion of some sort of universal source even at a basic level as u say with your astrology.. I think ‘ martial arts have a lot of metaphysical discipline in their ‘ethics’ rules.😄

  1. If you noticed Char Edgar Cayce and Albert Einstein. had theirs conjunct Pluto.2 people with some of the most’ far out and far reaching ideas of all time ! like the metaphor that Jamie used about the Medussa.” You cut off one head and another one grows back ! ‘ (Sounds like one of the vortices of the ‘ collective ‘ almost . ) I work with a lot of exotics , and snakes don’t bother me.I see them by my house all the time.I know all the species and I’m not afraid to pick them up.They are welcome on my property . Fear of them is just .caused by mythologocal bias. Knowledge is the enemy of fear and brings light to all things ! One of the things I forecast for the Pluto in Aquarius transit is I think Astrology will lose its status as a ‘ pseudo ‘ science. Have a good day!
    Doug ♍

    • I noticed that Johnny Depp ( mercury / Venus) Robert De Niro ( mars) , Nancy Pelosi ( mars ) have these on Donald Trumps midheaven.
      # 1 made a negative public comment that alluded to Abramam Lincoln.# 2.a negative public comment about ‘ punching ‘ him in the face.# 3 I’m not sure of any open public comments , but leads the party that no doubt has advocated impeachment.
      Here are 3 public figures. that spoke in a figurative way.( I’m sure ) that almost seems like a ‘ Rico Act ‘.
      This should bring pause to anyone. ; that words ‘ carry ‘ weight especially for public figures and that comments like these being ‘ they’ are
      ‘ powerful’ people increases the ‘chasm ‘ between their maturity as adults and the immaturity of their words and or inclinations of thought.
      In America we have one of the best systems in the world ! its called democracy.If you don’t like someone vote them out ! ( that way we can all keep our ‘ heads ‘ !!! ) have a good day ! ♍

      • You can’t vote anyone out. You can only vote for someone, not against them.

        Voting because you don’t like a politician? People benefit all the time from parties, systems, and elected politicians that they don’t like. On the flip side, if a politician is a liar, ignores the Constitution, and is flagrantly immoral, you can like that person, but vote for someone with better qualities.

        So I say: vote for good people who care for their fellow human beings, even if those who aren’t in their “party”.

        • A vote ‘for’ is a vote ‘ against ‘.You don’t have to vote ‘ block ‘ politics.If you don’t like a candidate you vote for the other one.
          Besides that I was talking about ‘ Algol ‘ symbolism useing a political example.
          Sorry if my point was misconstrued.
          .I don’t care who people vote for.
          I don’t want this to digress into a political argument.
          Any talk of suggesting physical harm to a president is immoral to me whatever party they belong to ; however.♍

          • We all know who you’re trumpeting.

            No one but you brought up physical harm to a president.

            • Kathy Griffin also with her effigy stunt. And I just mentioned 2 of three that did or it was implied.Robert Deniro and Johnny Depp.( watch the news clips. )
              Nancy Pelosi .daughters comment about her mother ‘ cutting off your head before u know u are bleeding ‘( defer to the news video. )
              I think she has a planet on Algol also.
              These are people on Jamie’s list above where I made a connection stringing comments they made with ‘ Algol ‘ symbolism.These are ‘objective’factual public statements and have no connection to a persons political affiliation. You may gleen ‘ what u want. ( Back at you ) CASE CLOSED !!!!

    • Doug, I hadn’t noticed that Edgar Cayce and Albert Einstein had Pluto on Algol. Interesting. They were both Pisceans too.

      • I was born May 17th, with my Sun in the 8th house. Sun in 26 degrees of Taurus with the 8th house cusp in same 26 degrees of Taurus ! Kind of unsettling, but I don’t focus on it too much.

        • I forgot to add, Pluto squares my Sun as well. Pluto rules Scorpio, and both rule the 8th house where all the Algol is going on in my chart ! Pluto for me is in the most angular {strong} house, the 10th….giving it even more power. Gad.

          • You sound pretty evolved Ann ! I think that’s the key ! Have a good day ! : )

            • hi Doug,
              Thank you,
              Evolved ? Why or how ? Because of the Algol and Pluto and so on ?
              I’m more “scared’ than evolved !, with such heavy emphasis on Algol in my chart, focused on the 8th house.

              I try to be evolved. Neptune in Scorpio is rising right next to and almost on top of my Ascendant line, I read somewhere that brings a desire for evolvement, maybe the 8th house Sun does as well. Probably explains why mundane life bothers me so much. I’m an artist. My subjects are dreams,spirits,unexplained things, portraits, nature and other things.

              Anyway, I hope I survive the Algol. I’ve had many near-misses throughout my life, as far as my safety is concerned. I try to stay safe and not take chances.

            • Anne, Doug’s comment that you appear to be “evolved” is something that had occurred to me too. The fact that you’re an artist, and the subjects you paint, make me think perhaps you’re one of the people who have managed to tap into the positive aspects of Algol. Note what Jamie says (quoting Elsbeth Ebertin) about the “high spiritual rays” that come from Algol too!

              Click on the Diana Rosenberg’s (“Medusa’s Head” link as well, it’s a good article. I found it very comforting when I first discovered – quel horreur!! – where my Algol was.

        • Hi Annie ! The last sentence in the 2nd to last paragraph tells me everything.That would relate nicely to your Scorpio / Neptune rising.I think Jim Carry has that also ; so if that equates to talent I would say u have alot.( probably quite a sense of humor also ! )
          Your.interests are those of a ‘ seeker ‘and you are interested in the deeper meanings of life. ( 8th house Sun ).Pluto in the 10th ‘ is’ a ‘ Power’ placement and relates to your’ Scorpio /Neptune asc.(Pluto) ruler and with 8th house Sun .A square to Pluto with your Sun would have to be really tight ( like zero degrees almost.) If it is , then Pluto in your 10th might indicate a potential for a possible abuse of power in some way.
          By evolved I mean that it looks like u are utilizing your energy in a ‘ creative way and for a more nobel purpose ( self growth ).I think that’s the most mature way to use that energy. ) Have a nice day ! 🙂

          • hi Doug,
            I wrote you a huge reply, then LOST IT ! Hit awrong button or something, it disappeared.Aaauuuggghhh ! I’ll try to re-write it soon,!!!

            🙁

            • Happens all the time ! I think this merc.retro. is screwing with me.2twice this week I paid for gas at the cashier , and drove off without pumping the gas in. !!! ( duh) that never happens to me.Then yesterday I bought a bag of food and forgot to take it home.I left it by vendor’s booth .behind a table and thought it was safe.I went to get it this morning and someone must have heisted it over night.( oy vey . )♍

          • Thank you Doug, I wrote nearly an essay in reply and like I said earlier, I deleted the dang thing accidentally and it didn’t get posted.

            So I’ll make a shorter statement. I agree I mainly handle my energies through art and you’re right about being concerned about the deeper meaning of things. Very much so.

            But I admit, I still do {rarely} flip out. Then all the Pluto is very evident. Thankfully it never got me arrested. Yes Pluto in the 10th house. That’s a “dictator placement”. Mainly what used to trigger all that was anything related to defending my children, especially during their school years. I’m older now, and a lot of what used to trigger that is either gone or changed {children are grown, for example}. I’m less of a hot head/less inclined to be drawn into things these days, but I used to be a legend.
            🙂

            • There’s an old German saying : ” too old , too soon , too late , too smart .”
              I could have drowned 2twice , ( I’m not a very good swimmer. ) I was lucky each time I was with a powerful swimmer that ‘ shagged’ me back to dry land.I was younger and more carefree.I’m surprised I survived at all sometimes , but with age sometimes wisdom follows , and now I’m just a passive observer rather than a willing participant.
              Now if I can get through the eye of a needle on that back of a camel., that would be great !

      • Ya Char. ; Pisces has that sensitivity thing goining on naturally..With Cayce it was a spiritual thing ( which makes sense.) , but with Einstein it was more ‘ corporeal ” , but even so the Pisces influence still seems to manifest and have an ‘ ethereal ‘ quality to his work.I think he was a pretty good violinist also ! Pisces is a very musical sign.After reading about so much of this stuff much of my life has made me conclude that when these physicists find the last smallest particle .; they’ll discover what we already know.It will be the ‘ God ‘ particle ( ie LOVE !! ) Have a good day ! : )

        • Hey Doug,
          All the latest replies I get here, there’s no “reply” button for me to respond back ! Would you know why ?

          So I am answering here, the post you made just below a post you wrote to me, just so I can use a “reply” button !

          I was going to say, yes, isn’t it awful when you spend time writing a reply then somehow it practically disappears on it’s own. I’m sure I did something spastic but what a tragedy ! I spent quite a while answering what you said about my Pluto/Sun square !

          LOL, those 2 examples you gave of Merc retro were really funny {sorry !}. Reminds me of the time I bought a huge bag of paper cat litter and left it right outside the store on the curb.
          Went back to get from the inside the store where they were keeping it for me, {someone turned it in},there was a message taped on the bag “paid for it, left it outside on curb”. LOL.
          I sent a photo of the message to people I knew and I told them “story of my life” !!!

          • Hi Anne again ! I m glad you were entertained by my story.I have Venus conjunct Neptune conjunct exact natally , so I tend to be more mystified and observant philosophical about life .( Sometimes I feel.like an alien visiting another planet.) I just feel like asking some people to ‘ take me to your leader ‘.I want to find out about this interesting planet.’These’ Venus / neptune also conjunct Spica , Arcturus, and Ceres.Nice hearing from u.I’ve found there are several people that comment on this site that have very legitimate astrological interests ; it’s refreshing to read ‘ ‘ ‘you guyses ” thoughts ! Have a good weekend ! ♍

      • Hi Char,
        I had to come up the thread to reply – for some reason any time now I get a comment there’s no reply button under it and I can’t post anything. Would you know why ?

        Here is your nice comment – I’ll post a reply directly under it;

        “Anne, Doug’s comment that you appear to be “evolved” is something that had occurred to me too. The fact that you’re an artist, and the subjects you paint, make me think perhaps you’re one of the people who have managed to tap into the positive aspects of Algol. Note what Jamie says (quoting Elsbeth Ebertin) about the “high spiritual rays” that come from Algol too!”

        Click on the Diana Rosenberg’s (“Medusa’s Head” link as well, it’s a good article. I found it very comforting when I first discovered – quel horreur!! – where my Algol was.

        hi Char,
        Thank you very much.That was really nice. I’ve always been sensitive, intuitive too, and yes the subjects I paint are no accident. I have mediumistic ability, I’ve had all sorts of psychic experiences too. That sort of thing.
        A sibling died when I was 12, {almost 13}. Another sibling was in Vietnam, and I knew my whole family expected he might be killed {during the entire 2 years he spent in the war}. I was in gradeschool at the time.
        My life has been heavily imbued with certain subjects that are represented in astrology.

        I didn’t realize Algol can possibly make a person negative {as dumb as that sounds}, I didn’t realize it. So when people say “evolved” I didn’t realize that could be lucky. I only thought my Algol meant danger. {Which I still believe is possible anyway}.
        I do have the square between the Sun and Pluto. 8th house Sun, 10th house Pluto {the dictator placement for Pluto}. I found out when I got older I had a certain “aura” ,many people perceived me as “tough”. I prefer being refined. I guess people sense something though. I tend to be serious, but smile easily. Imagine Saturn in the 3rd house, with Sag on the cusp ! I don’t know whether to look stern/put on a front or crack a joke,ha ha.
        🙂
        Anyway, whether it’s Algol or the Pluto or all the Scorpio, I’m seen as tough and/or get looks from people as if I seem dodgy/not to be trusted. I care a lot for my appearance ! So it’s not that. My eyes are almost black and my hair is dark, long and thick. People think I’m Italian, or “something” as one man put it.

        Here’s a funny story that illustrates what I mean. It happened years ago. My children, as well as my {now ex} spouse, are martial artists. I’m the only one who doesn’t know how to fight. Keep in mind too, I’m of middle height, slender build, polite and sensitive. Don’t look like a big thug lady or anything.
        OK, so my children were still dressed in their martial arts uniforms, it was after their class was over.Their father was trained in Kung Fu, and looks tough. As we all walked along, another child around my kid’s ages {about 10 or 11 years old} called out to us as we walked by “WHICH ONE’S THE TOUGHEST” ?! , obviously referring to my 2 children in their martial arts uniforms. Instantly though, my kids and my husband, as if on cue, all quickly turned and pointed at ME. What floored me was how none of them hesitated, it was as if they’d rehearsed it or something. And they weren’t joking.

        Where is your Algol at ? You mentioned in other words,it’s a little worrisome ?

        Thanks for the mention of the link too. I’ll have a look !

        • Hi Anne
          I’ve also noticed that the “Reply” link disappears on some comments. I think it happens when a comment is too far into a hierarchy of posts, ie. reply reply reply appears six times, then its missing on the seventh comment.
          Maybe?

          You’ve had it difficult, no doubt. Do you think Algol was involved each time?
          Algol is always dangerous. It’s just sometimes difficult to predict when she’ll zap you (SHE because that’s Medusa’s eye!).
          The way you describe yourself, it’s difficult to tell what comes from Algol and what comes from Scorpio. I think Algol reinforces the Scorpio. The fact that you’re recognised as the toughest is not surprising at all – you’re the one who doesn’t NEED the martial arts to prove anything at all. All you have to do is look at someone in a certain way and they’ll wilt. Medusa’s gaze had the power to turn people into stone…
          I know about Scorpio. Pluto is conjunct my Sun, I have quite a bit in the 8th house, and Scorpio is rising.
          I’ve heard about Algol being a scorpionic star, mine is right on my Desc.
          People have said about me that I’m “not afraid of the dark”. Maybe that’s because my Sun shines into Pluto’s darkness and illuminates all the bogeymen and turns them into wimps.

          I looked at Marie Antoinette chart (she who told the people to eat cake seeing that they had no bread – I’ll bet that story’s apocryphal!). She’s on AstroDataBank and I put her onto my personal list of charts at astro.com.
          Only one little asteroid is at Algol in her chart, but it’s called Moira which is Greek for fate.
          But Diana Rosenberg says Algol is so powerful that she can influence via other aspects than the conjunction. Jupiter is sesquiquadrate to Algol (and we know her luck was ultimately rather bad). Saturn is trine Algol and Uranus is quintile to her and her Part of Fortune is sextile – all of these within a zero-degree orb. Within Jamie’s orb factor of 2 degrees are an opposition from the Vertex and a trine from Pallas.
          Just for interest’s sake, the Queen Consort has a packed 5th house in Libra and Scorpio so it’s little wonder that she was pleasure-loving! But I guess you know most of that. Her Moon in the 5th house is on fixed star Spica, Vesta is on Regulus, the most royal star.

          Doug mentioned Ann-Margret on this page too – she has Moon, Jupiter and Uranus conjunct Algol. She had a terrible 22-foot fall from the stage, broke her arm and all the bones in her face (Uranus) and healed in record time (Uranus sextile Pluto). Check out her chart, it’s very interesting! Because she was born so far north, all her main planets, except Neptune and Pluto, are in her enormous 12th house that spans more than 120 degrees. Her Asc-Desc axis is on the opposing stars of Aldebaran and Antares.

          Then there’s also something about Kathy Griffin and her effigy of The Donald’s head, I think also posted by Doug? I did a chart for the incident. Algol is right at the top of the chart near (but not conjunct) Mercury. There’s a yod from Saturn sextile Part of Fortune, with Algol at the Apex!

          Now, I think this post is QUITE long enough – don’t you??

            • For some reason, I took a look at Roger Smith’s chart (Ann-Margret’s hubby). He has Lilith, Chiron and Vesta on Algol in his 7th house! It was a VERY happy and devoted marriage.
              Roger was in a serious car accident with head injuries, but there is no (visible) connection with Algol there, I might find time to dig into that a bit more – on the day he had surgery after the accident though, tr Lilith was con Algol and tr Chiron was square to it. His Pluto is sextile to Algol, and his Moon on Regulus squares Algol.
              There’s a lot more, but I find it all gets a bit confusing when I list it instead of looking at a chart.
              Interesting that you link Pluto / collective / Akashic records. Well, of course the records are imbedded in everyone’s subconscious. From the time when I was a teenager, I’ve felt that I had easy access to at least the top layer of my subconscious, so I guess that was Sun con Pluto at work.
              I haven’t worked with Vesta much, I believe she’s linked with Scorpio as well, so maybe I’ll take a closer look because she keeps cropping up lately. Oh, I just saw she’s quincunx my Desc/Algol!
              What do you mean by the expression “owning the farm”? I’m not familiar with the expression.

            • Hi char , you are so thourogh ! That’s the way to do research !
              I don’t make the connection with vesta at all with Scorpio.
              I may be wrong , but the best word I come up with is devotion. ( ie if your vesta fell on someone’s Sun , you would have an instinctive feeling of devotion for that individual. ) So far that’s how it comes across to me.it’s not necessarily an emotional.thing , more of like .having an unconditional ‘ trust ‘. I would use vesta as an adjective. When black lilith is triggered this is a place where there is no compromise.Its rebellion for the sake of rebellion , whatever it contacts in a synestry it will be automatically against it almost by instinct.
              lilith , Chiron , vestsa , algol
              .in the 7th conjunct her Sun.It seems the vesta makes sense there ( devotion ) , each seemed to be in a position to nurse one another at times ( Chiron maybe ? ) , not sure how black lilith fits in.Looks like a complex relationship.
              ‘ Owning the farm ‘ I’s an expression that means : ‘others have to do bidding to an individual ‘ ‘
              I use it as a metaphor with Pluto as well as Uranus and Neptune.this is how I illustrate : Useing Pluto as an example here conjunct Sun.Because Pluto moves so slow as the days go by many people will be born without Pluto hardly haveing moved at all.So the Sun person is going to meet many that ‘have the same Pluto generational placement.They will be attracted to the Pluto / Sun person like moths to a flame.Does that make sense ?

            • Doug, I tend to agree with you in not seeing an obvious connection between Vesta and Scorpio. I got that from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_asteroids_in_astrology#Vesta, where it’s said: “It also seems to bear influence over Scorpio”.
              The only link I can see is Scorpio – Pluto – Hades – hell-fire – but Hades was a COLD place, where does Vesta’s altar flame fit into that??
              Isn’t Hestia the Greek version of Vesta, and didn’t Hestia leave earth in a huff over humanity’s foibles, making room for Dionysus in the pantheon of 12 gods? (I may have all this completely wrong…).
              I don’t think I’m one of Sun-con-Pluto’s owning the farm types. Venus in Cancer and Libra on my 11th house cusp make me a bit more compliant than is quite comfortable, though I’ve at least learned to stand up for myself in my old age! I think I use the conjunction to shine light into dark corners, and in going to considerable depth if a subject truly interest me. (BTW the conjunction is in house 9).
              I think I can see how I use my Vesta. She’s in my 11th house, and I know instinctively on first meeting whether or not I can trust them. And Lilith tells me, also instinctively, whether I should RUN from someone. The only times I’ve ever gone wrong was when I ignored their messages.
              I’ve learned a great deal from your comments here, Doug. Thank you!

          • I’ve known some people with Sun / Pluto conjunct.Pluto is the collective ( akashic records and all that. ) People with the Sun conjunct ‘ own the farm ‘, and their life seems to be Pluto themed. ( Jerry Garcia ‘ Grateful Dead ‘ ) one example.
            ‘ Vesta in my research so far seems to indicate a type of devotion to the planet that triggers it in synestry.( if it’s mercury themed then it means lots of communication as an example and the ‘ vesta’ person lends support to the. ‘ideas ‘ of the other person.( notice ; vesta is the root for the word investment. )
            When Pluto transited my n node I had a lot of weird ‘ stream of consciousness ‘ conversations with people , and was made aware of a lot of ‘ synchronistic ‘ connections I had with people. ( superconscious brought up to the conscious level. ) of course aware of .’ this ‘ transit I was looking for it , it was a very interesting time indeed.
            Interestingly , once it was over I seem to be able to access it easier , but it’s not as forthright as it was when it was transiting the vortice of my node.
            Eric Burdon with a lot of planets on Algol always sang those deep ‘ blusy ‘ types of songs not that light stuff like the Beatles. ( have a good day enjoyed your post ! ) ♍

          • Hi Char , in response to your last comment : A cancer Venus would mitigate some of the Sun / Pluto heaviness for sure , because it by itself would be a very nurturing placement , and Libra tends to ‘ weigh ‘ things before they act , a good quality to have.A lot of people tend to ‘ leap ‘ before the ‘ look ‘
            The black lilith thing : I’m hearkening to an individual that has his at 3 degrees on my 2 degree Scorpio moon.
            In certain areas it seems he is hell bent on destroying me emotionally , I’m pretty tough so when we get into discourse on certain subjects I can point out fa ct after fact , but nothing registers.He will shout , call me all sorts of names … work overtime to embarrass me in front of groups.I’ve known him since we were 4 years old. Finally usually he will concede that I make good points , but never totally., ( it’s a rebellion thing for the sake of rebelling , see ? ) but it’s ok I’m better than a lawyer defending my points.It frustrates him WAY more than it does me..So I’m just using one example ., however you know the mythology of it she didn’t want to submit that’s why I m using that metaphor.
            I have to do more research on vesta
            but I tend to use my chart as my ‘ guinea pig ‘ and that’s how the energy seems to work in synestries with me when it’s triggered..If I recall.’ Vesta’ doesn’t really have any ‘ procreative ‘ connotation which I would attribute more to Scorpio energy
            I may be wrong.I only go by my own observation.You guys are pretty good too ( .Ditto ! : )

            Doug Chiron

            • That’s a detailed and dramatic description of Lilith, Doug! A very good teaching example. I’m going to need to check my Lilith against everyone I know; some things about hostility towards me, and perceived hostility by me towards others, may just stop being mystifying to me.

              Using your own chart as your guinea pig makes perfect sense to me – I do that too.

              The more I think about Vesta and Scorpio, the less likely it seems to me that there’s a fit. UNLESS – didn’t the Vestal Virgins in ancient Rome act as custodians of wills, and that’s an 8th house issue. Seems a bit contrived to me… Although the Vestals weren’t all virgins, they undertook to remain chaste for 30 years, and that’s SERIOUSLY un-Scorpionic, isn’t it.

            • Hi char. , I’m the 1st to admit that I’m not the biggest expert on Greek Mythology.
              I do believe this however ; that the plays , stories , and God’s were human metaphors for the personality traits of the planet’s , stars , asteroids …they probably learned about these things from more eastern cultures like the babylonians and Hindus .
              who were very well versed in ‘ cosmic ‘ connections.The plays and such were sort of like taking this ‘ cosmic ‘ stuff and setting it to music to help illustrate it to the masses better.Sort of like when Jesus taught the law of karma to the masses he used the metaphor of ‘ what we sow , we will reap.’ It was more of a familiar concept to the masses he was preaching to.Cayce called it : ‘ tit for tat ‘
              I have a lot of earth : Taurus asc. , Sun., mercury , Virgo , ( 5th ) Mars , n.node Capricorn 9th ) Chiron Capricorn ( 10th ) So I like to water it down and make it as simplistic as possible example : Venus conjunct. Pluto : (obsessive love ) would be one way of looking at that combo.(The movie Fatal attraction comes to mind. ) but on a higher vibration it could mean a love ( obsessive ) of a quest for answers to the undercurrents of life.It just depends how the person is using the energy.
              The Vegas shooter : they have no official public motivation released for his deed , but you could tell me by focusing on just this one hint ill tell you.
              All.the planets associated with females are afflicted ; especially his mother.If you add some of the asteroids and fixed stars you could probably get even more detail , which I did not do.
              By the way about the Trump exoneration I defer you to my comment about his relationship with Mueller at the REGALUS blog a couple of weeks ago .considering the outcome I think you’ll find it interesting
              I saw that Juno / Regulus / Sun thing with your significant other.Sounds like you treat each other Royaly ! ( have a good day ! )♍

    • hi Doug,
      I had no way to reply {strange} to your reply about Annunziata Asquith’ sbook on M. Antionette, and the fact the astrologer and her father both feared for her, before she ever left her homeland. I wouldn’t pass it of fas mere soothsaying, and all. I think it was quite remarkable. The astrologer was seriously worried about her. I forgt whether the father had a psychic reason to be worried or of he believed the astrologer, but in any case, it was a very interesting bit of information.
      Yeah, we all have LOL, “challenges”. But really.

      • Hi Anne , I have to apologize I didn’t really look at M.Antoinettes chart.I just glanced at it to see if there were any planet’s conjunct Algol.That was the research I was interested in at the moment , and trying to make the point that Algol.doesn’t necessarily mean an automatic. ‘ physical.’ beheading ; it could be ‘ metaphorical ‘ .
        My intension wasn’t meant to dismiss the validity of the court astrologers concerns or. analysis made by him or her.
        I believe she had a lot of Scorpio.Scorpio at its best is great for doing research , because they generally have a lot of stamina for staying focused at finding answers to problems.Which can also take them into the not so benign areas of life at times. ( Lieutenant Joe Kenda pops into my mind right now. ) hehe. )
        Scorpio used at its .’ base ‘ energy operational level can bring about some of the tougher negative Scorpio traits to deal with.
        Scorpio or people wth lots of Scorpio have a lot of natural volatility.

        • I’m sorry too, if I sounded cranky, don’t apologize !
          🙂
          I’ve read a lot about M. Antoinette {this time I spelled the name correctly – hate typos !}, reading that interesting tidbit electrified me. Gawd ! An astrologer basically called it before she ever left Austria.

          As for Scorpio she had Sun and Venus in that sign. Pluto in….6th house,{!} 6th house Scorpio cusp {!} Saturn in the 8th. Terrible , I think can represent fear, yes ? Saturn can indicate fear. No wonder. And Mars was in opposition. That poor woman.

          I don’t know Kenda but could look him up. I’ve got Jupiter in Scorpio, Neptune rising in Scorpio, Scorpio overlay on my Sun because it’s in the 8th, Pluto in the most angular house giving 8 aspects to planets including Asc and MC.

          I’ve read Scorpio “walks the razors edge between good and evil”. I believe it. I’ve known some very
          Scorpionic people. That ain’t no picnic. I think even Scorpio types who “seem” to be on a higher level/evolved could open a can of you-know-what any time – it just takes the right situation.

          So you have Neptune conjunct Venus. That’s lovely, I’m jealous !

          • Hi Anne !
            You have Jupiter conjunct Neptune ( I’m jealous ! ) hehe ) Where is your N.Node ? That would tell you A lot about your ‘ life path.’
            M.Antoinettes astrologers were probably looking at her mars opposition saturn in the 8th as : some type of. ‘ judgement ‘ (
            saturn ) possibly by a ‘ male ‘ or a. ‘ male ‘ific type energy ( aggression perhaps ? )Sometimes you have to plug in different synonyms to see which ones fit best ie ( Saturn could mean discipline , judgement ,shrinkage , fear , I suppose. , study …) It might be more interesting to find out if her executioner had anything on her ‘ Algol ‘ Hmm ?
            Have a good day!
            Doug Chiron

            • Anne and Doug, please excuse me for barging into your conversation—I’m thinking that since the French Revolution was a national event in which more than 16,0000 people were beheaded, perhaps an investigation into Algol’s relation to contemporaneous transits in France’s birth chart might reveal the larger themes at work during that time?

            • Very interesting Elle !
              I hope for the most part we’ ve grown beyond that ; although in some parts of the world it still seems to be an accepted practice ; other than that it kind of puts a pall over what I think of when I think of France. ( kind of takes the romance out of it. )

      • One last point Annie .Transiting Pluto in Capricorn will be Making a trine aspect to your natal Sun/Algol soon which is going to be a transit that should be empowering.It will be a long transit also. : )

        • Thank you so much !
          Sounds very helpful AND interesting. I’m single ! Sun trine Pluto ?! Sounds REAL good ! LOL ! Thank you to Pluto ! LOL ! {LMAO}. Seriously though, thanks,that’s a real good aspect !

          I do as much scouring as I can. I order several different astrology reports every year, I compute my aspect hit lists with software that I have. I compute different chart wheels, lunar charts and so on. I like the way you wrote “Sun/Algol. I knew the degree of course, but to put the words back to back makes it really stand out. I hadn’t fully realized something about my Sun despite knowing the degree and what house already. “Sun/Algol”. Oh my God. That’s unnerving. Now I’m on another freak out. Will be researching all that all over again. I love astrology !

          • The trine indicates that it should be a relatively smooth transformative period , but don’t let ‘ empowerment ‘ become.’ Overpowerment ‘ For a natal square Pluto your natal Pluto had to be in Leo probably conjunct or near Regulus the ‘ royal star ‘which in and of itself is good , but don’t let its’ grandiosity ‘ overpower you.Always remember to be humble , and don’t use the ‘ good ‘ transits to be exploitive of others.This natal square is probably what your family meant when they pointed at you and said ‘ you ‘ were the tough one.” The wise person rules their stars. ”
            Astrology is just a road map it suggests our inclinations , but it’s your free will decision what road your going to take..By the way Ann Margaret has a lot of Algol planets and she made out pretty good ! I think her Sun is there also , and she even played an ‘ artist ‘ in the movie ‘GRUMPY OLD MEN ‘ ! Have a good day : )
            Doug Chiron ♍

            • hi Doug,
              No, my Pluto is in Virgo, not Leo. It’s in the 10th house. My only Leo planet is Uranus.

              I don’t have Jupiter conjunct Neptune ! Sounds lovely though. But I do have Neptune conjunct my Ascendant, plus Venus trine Neptune, Saturn sextile Neptune.

              You asked where my North Node is. It’s in my 12th house, in 12 degrees of Libra. It has to do with my life path ? I’d love to hear what you think ! If it helps, my 12th cusp is 2 degrees of Libra and my 1st house cusp is 27 degrees of Libra {Libra N. Node cradled in between those 2 Libra cusps}.

              You said don’t be exploitive and stay humble…I’m not usually, or even unusually, exploitive of anyone ! Egad, I might have stuff like Algol conjunct my Sun and a Pluto square to my Sun, but my morals are high. With all the Virgo I have {Moon and Pluto}, I’m pretty critical of myself and tend to reevaluate things regularly {take stock,self-awareness}. Got 2 planets in Cancer, 2 in Scorpio, Neptune rising. I’m sensitive to people. I prefer keeping things polite and being a decent person. I can’t stand bad manners,uncouth individuals or conflict {Libra rising}. I can forgive and forget. Not everyone does.

            • Also, I’m talking in terms of Western astrology, in everything I speak of. Thanks,
              🙂

            • Hi Anne ! Its been awhile so I think I was just gaugeing where your planets were located by some of the things that you mentioned in your natal chart.Apparently I was wrong , as you’ve given some more specific information now , I apologize for any misinterpretation I may have made.I’m sure you’re a fine person .I always thought you were ! 👍

  2. Reading about Mars and Algol on Marjorie Orr’s website made me wonder about my ex-boyfriend’s native Mars and Algol and led me here – sadly, they were close enough (2 degrees) and seemed to contribute to the more brutal, violent parts of his personality, as well as his attraction to alcohol and drugs (tho he did have other aspects for this, such as a grand water trine, a Jupiter-Neptune as well as a likely a Moon-Saturn opposition).
    He also has Jupiter in Taurus, not close enough for a conjunction but seemingly protective; he had great physical skills and never got sick, to the point of having no empathy for anyone who might be ill.
    However, when transiting Saturn opposed his Jupiter several years ago, he was diagnosed with tongue cancer, which meant that he needed horrible throat surgery to remove everything, and lost the ability to eat and talk normally. Thankfully his great stamina allowed him to survive multiple surgeries, and he recovered the rest of his health, although he will never be the same again.
    When I also read about Capulus, a nearby star, giving defective eyesight, I was again struck, as he was born with terrible eyesight, corrected only with the thickest eyeglasses. Jupiter may have prevented him from going blind altogether.

  3. Interesting ! I pulled some other charts and whether figuratively or literally it seems like there’s a connection with the neck up in some way.
    Bill Clinton has the Sun regulus conjunction with Monica Lewinskys Venus there.His moon is at about 20 degrees Taurus too wide for the conjunction , he almost lost the ‘ head ‘ position in government , but not quite.Kathy Griffin has her moon near his.She almost lost her career with the’ effigy ‘ stunt , but not quite.She also had plastic surgery done on her face I believe.
    Liberace was into some bizzare facial plastic surgery stuff also.He was a Taurus.
    Ill have to look up his chart.

  4. Had a few girlfriends in High school. One was a May 16. Sank her tooth in the helmut one night. Still have the mark, 40 years later. She moved away and became a nurse. Why am I sharing this? Because you may wish to consider other parts of parts of the body

      • What actually happened when I was 17, is my May 16 gf vaccinated me from the hazardous effects of Algol. Anyone considering the USA sibly Progreseed chart, and what was going down in the first few weeks of March 1777, may wish to ponder on this.

  5. I vote for policies. , not politicians.As we’ve seen recently too many follow the media ‘ blitz ‘ ( Jussie Smollet situation comes to mind.) , only to have to walk their comments back when the facts come in.
    Politicians have always spoken out of both sides of their mouths , depending on what focal group their addressing . It is only more front and center today because of the way it communicates thru social media. I had spoken to many people during and after the 2016 election of all races , creeds and colors that voted for Donald Trump , because they didn’t like their option.So their vote ‘ for’ translated as a vote against.
    Will he still be the ‘ head ‘ ‘ Algol ‘ in 2020 ? Time will tell.Have a good day !♍

    • 2020 winner winner chicken dinner depends on who Putin wants in the presidency. Putin’s chart should be analyzed to see how he feels on the day of the election, and on the inauguration day. I’m serious.

          • There must be another reason why he won the election then ? See if you can give me an astrological answer .I would like to learn from you ! ( Aspirin is spelled with one ‘ S ‘) by the way . Better take 2 of them and call a spelling teacher. I wouldn’t want you to read the label wrong and take the wrong pill , and u might want to ask about your comprehension skills
            also. ( Have a good day ! )

          • Just out of curiosity I decided to look it up again : Transiting Uranus in Aires was sextile his SUN / N.NODE /URANUS .natal.It was trine his natal MOON , and his natal MARS / REGALUS.on his ASC. That’s what I look at.
            Your 1st and only free lesson.Next time I charge.

      • I did the transits of the 2 candidates in the 2016 election.Those are the only ones that r important. Hillary didn’t have the astrological support.

  6. After BML, Algol is the highest entity in my chart, about 5 degrees from Mars, 10th house. In 2011, I had spinal fusion on three disks in my neck after debilitating pain for several years. This year, I have developed pulsatory tinnitus and am beginning the process to address it. Hopefully to stop it, because it is consuming my life.

    • Gotta ask J.L.; are you in close proximity to cell towers, lots of wifi, smartmeters, 5G? It may be worth looking into, as they cause inner ear and sensory problems. Wishing the best, of course. Check out electricsense.com

      • Hi dangerous. I just started working as a radio news reporter. I spent the first month of the job training at the station, where we transmit to 22 stations. Lots of electro- magnetic waves there. I’m also Aquarius, and sensitive to stuff in the air. I wondered if the EMF might have set something off in my head. But I work from home now, and the ringing hasn’t stopped. Not for a second. Thanks

  7. Man, I have to confess that I kinda like Algol’s persons because mysterious people are pretty attractive for someone like me who speaks a lot with my bigmouth. But when it comes to the lunar nodes, I mean like DAMN MAANNNN… Algol square nodes are those people who: a) either talks a lot but in the end you’ll notice they’re saying nothing at all; b) either are too freakin’ non-verbal which turns to be REALLY annoying at some point. Like, how can I even properly establish some type of real and serious communication under these circunstances?!! I guess maybe I should invest my time into a relationship with an statue, since there wouldn’t be much difference on it. LOL

  8. Oh my… I’ve got Algol in my 5th house conjunct Mars (Taurus), and I have the grand talent trines I saw some people tripping on. I’m ridiculously talented with people commenting on it ALL MY LIFE, and it disgusts me because my it has been one long war. I’m pretty old now, and STILL fighting like hell. What do I have? One good person who loves me. THAT’S IT.
    I suppose it’s really all I ever had.

  9. Dangerous, perhaps your Mars / Algol conjunction has not only given you talent/s, but has helped you to survive your “one long war”?
    And if you have one good person who loves you, you can call your life a success.

  10. Medusa is not a demon, that was a deep and horrific evil corruption projected upon women in ancient times to destroy their equal status in society. Perseus should be brought to trial and sent to prison (the underworld) like many Gods of the Patriarch (RIP).

  11. Princess Diana and Prince William both have their 5th house ruler’s (Venus) conjunct this fixed star. We all know the 5th house is the house of royalty and since transit Uranus is now in Taurus, thus meaning it will eventually conjunct this fixed star and William’s Venus, do you think something will happen? Like something that will change his fate? I think the Queen might pass and he will be forced up a rank to which it will cause him great stress…it would be great to hear your prediction on this!

  12. hi H20,
    You wrote;
    “Princess Diana and Prince William both have their 5th house ruler’s (Venus) conjunct this fixed star. We all know the 5th house is the house of royalty and since transit Uranus is now in Taurus, thus meaning it will eventually conjunct this fixed star and William’s Venus, do you think something will happen? Like something that will change his fate? I think the Queen might pass and he will be forced up a rank to which it will cause him great stress…it would be great to hear your prediction on this!”

    I didn’t know the 5th house pertains to royalty. Interesting.
    OK, my thoughts are;

    1. Venus represents children, as well as many other things. So does the 5th house. Let’s hope none of William’s children are badly affected.And if Diana had Venus conjunct Algol, then William himself is doubly affected by Algol. Because he is Diana’s {Algol Venus} child and so it affects him from that direction. And since he has that conjunction in his own chart, his own children might experience misfortune ? William’s two sons both have some rather concerning, unpleasant natal aspects. Charlotte has {natal} Mars in the 12th.

    2. Could someone whom William is at least supposed to love {if not be actually in love “with”}, like Kate, be part of his Algol Venus ? Could she pass out of his life ?

    3. William has 2019 solar return stelliums in both the 2nd and 8th houses, {second house activating the 8th even more}…

    4. I read {and kept info from} an astrologer who stated that maybe both William and Kate might go “bye bye” in other words, and I think he meant prematurely.Things do happen. I can look it up and add more on that, I thought it was so interesting I kept what was said about it.

    5. Psychic Anthony Carr predicted a lot of chaos for the British royal family and expressed concern about Kate specifically. He has a video on YouTube about it, “Psychic Anthony Carr talks about Kate Middleton”.

    When do you think the Uranus transit will affect William ? Do you have a general or specific time period,? I agree,when Elizabeth passes, William might flake out. But it’s Charles who will succeed, so you feel William couldn’t handle the position Charles now holds {that William will inherit once everyone moves up a rank ?}. William does seem like a milksop. Honest opinion.

  13. Benedict Cumberbatch has Jupiter on Algol.
    Born Monday 19 July 1976 @ 12PM in Hammersmith, England.
    He also has a Yod with Sun Sextile Jupiter quincunx the Galactic Centre.
    A powerhouse!

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